Car runs over 12 teenagers, kills 5! somewhere near Mildura. - Page 5

gozza · 21-02-2006, 01:56 PM

britany spears was photographed driving with her baby son on her lap

2Fast2FuriousDude · 21-02-2006, 02:00 PM

Well I didn't realise this, the driver has been charged with some serious charges.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=87688

I actually feel sorry for the poor bugger, This could happen to any driver (as I can't see this as being intentional.) The driver isn't appearing in court again until June 26th. So it's going to be a while until we hear what really happened.

Cheers,
Jim

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Sourbastard · 21-02-2006, 02:26 PM

Note how the story reads though:

Title:"Hit-run accused drove with son on his lap: report" This appears as a statement of fact, theres no question mark, no allegation.

Quote: "A report in today's Age said a police fact sheet was believed to say"
And this is what that statement is based on, someone elses story outlining what they believe it says. They dont even have a source for it. Someone, somewhere, thinks this may be the case.

When a news report is short on fact, feel free to introduce rumour, if rumours arent forthcoming, feel free to just make stuff up.

fiery · 21-02-2006, 03:17 PM

This is what the media does best.......
glorify and lie as much as possible to sell a story!!!

What and any of you seriously thought the media would tell the truth about something ... oh please.. show me a story that has ever actually been reported correctly and I will shake the hand of that reporter..
Neither is going to happen any time soon :togo:

vanessa0305 · 21-02-2006, 03:53 PM

wasn't there another report that said he left his two kids in the back of the wagon?

vanessa0305 · 21-02-2006, 03:55 PM

He is charged with six counts of culpable driving causing death, four counts of negligently causing serious injury, one count of failing to stop at the scene of an accident and one count of failing to render assistance.

Says nothing about any charge to do with the postion of the kids in the car. Sounds like hearsay to me.

Nevermind · 21-02-2006, 03:59 PM

Looking at the condition of the car, I can't imagine a 4 year old on the drivers lap would have escaped without some form of injury? I also cant imagine any father travelling at speed with his son on his lap, late at night. Just doesnt add up.

The kids up the road could have spooked the driver causing him to loose control by jumping out in front of him, throwing a bottle at him or anything, im sure they arent going to admit it any time soon, just seems obvious he "lost control" opposite where they were all standing.

No one deserved what they got out of this. Maybe the driver was driving too fast for the conditions? but I have no doubt the tradgedy wouldn't have occured if the teenagers showed some common sense for themselves (and now obviously their friends) by goddamn growing a brain and acting like human beings (and im not just alking about this accident).

Not only does the driver has to live with the guilt, but if the other kids up the road caused the car to swerve and loose control, then they'll be living with that same guilt, if not more.....

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 21-02-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

if the driver was not in a condition to be driving the accident still may have occured even if the kids weren't on the road...but they were weren't they? ..
no question hes in the wrong but it could be all different if they obeyed common sense

At the moment I dont see any evidence that that suggests he was in the wrong ! Why do you think there is no question of his guilt ?

jabba · 21-02-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vanessa0305

He is charged with six counts of culpable driving causing death, four counts of negligently causing serious injury, one count of failing to stop at the scene of an accident and one count of failing to render assistance.

Says nothing about any charge to do with the postion of the kids in the car. Sounds like hearsay to me.

and he has to remain in jail untill his next court hearing in July.....

fiery · 21-02-2006, 06:58 PM

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and he has to remain in jail untill his next court hearing in July.....

That can actually be for several reasons too though.

1. Did he actually apply for bail? I never heard that he had, but that doesn't mean he didn't.

2. He is undergoing medical treatment and assessment, therefore its better to keep him in jail (which will actually be the medical unit).

3. It is the safest option for the police, considering the threats.......

That is just 3 possibilities from the top of my head......

jabba · 21-02-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fiery

That can actually be for several reasons too though.

1. Did he actually apply for bail? I never heard that he had, but that doesn't mean he didn't.

2. He is undergoing medical treatment and assessment, therefore its better to keep him in jail (which will actually be the medical unit).

3. It is the safest option for the police, considering the threats.......

That is just 3 possibilities from the top of my head......

Not sure of the circumstances, Just heard it on the radio....

personaly I were him, I would proberly feel safer in jail

WINDSR · 21-02-2006, 08:33 PM

Days after this has happened, our community is still is shock and saddness. In one way or another the people of Mildura and surounding areas knew one of the victims. I know the stretch of road well, travell down it at least once a week. Being a country road, there not busy. The car just lost control (maybe cause of the sight of the kids around the property. The house is right on a bend.) These poor kids were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. 100m up the road.

I wish all Parents, Family and friends my sympathy.

stockel · 22-02-2006, 11:17 AM

I was reading this 'teenagers have ИИИИ for brains' stuff and thinking....yeah to a point and then i remembered something... About three years ago my mate was driving down a hill at about 1am in pitch black with pouring rain and only doing about 40kph cos he was struggling to see and he still could not avoid hitting a 16 year old girl that was walking right in the middle of the road - scary stuff.

Bobman · 22-02-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stockel

I was reading this 'teenagers have ИИИИ for brains' stuff and thinking....yeah to a point and then i remembered something... About three years ago my mate was driving down a hill at about 1am in pitch black with pouring rain and only doing about 40kph cos he was struggling to see and he still could not avoid hitting a 16 year old girl that was walking right in the middle of the road - scary stuff.

Not uncommon these days unfortunately, bit of alcohol and/or emotion and cars seem a fantasy to them if walking the road.

22-02-2006, 02:45 PM

Well the new speed for the falcon wagon has now been published at 180kph as stated by the girl with a broken leg (in the courier mail)

2Fast2FuriousDude · 22-02-2006, 03:09 PM

Was this speed stated by the forensics or by this girl. The car was doing 180kph, I doubt the whole group of the teenagers would have even seen the car coming. As stated in the media news, a few jumped out of the way. One girl had enough time to push her friend and herself out of the way.
I think people should keep their mouths shut if they can't judge. Only making matters worse.

Cheers,
Jim

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22-02-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Fast2FuriousDude

Was this speed stated by the forensics or by this girl. The car was doing 180kph, I doubt the whole group of the teenagers would have even seen the car coming. As stated in the media news, a few jumped out of the way. One girl had enough time to push her friend and herself out of the way.
I think people should keep their mouths shut if they can't judge. Only making matters worse.

Cheers,
Jim

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Yes I agree and this speed was quoted by the Girl

Id love to see what forensics have to say myself

Simmo · 22-02-2006, 03:53 PM

180kmh!!!!!! BWAahahahhahha ffs come on. "we were merrily walking home in a 2x2 line holding hands when a cobalt blue flash appeared and sent us everywhere" i think papers should get in trouble for publishing that kind of crap. it will only influence peoples thoughts and make it harder on the driver.

Bobman · 22-02-2006, 03:54 PM

See the news last night? Reporting the mother of the driver "OUTRAGING" families by comments that the "children were involved" - Of course they played a part, no matter how tragic accidents don't just happen, there are a set of triggers that lead up to it, and there is always something that you don't hear about on the news regarding same.

Simmo · 22-02-2006, 04:01 PM

the news is bloody sickening mate. apart from bearing with the 6 people he killed now he's going to be branded a reckless hoon the rest of his life and then he has to look at the tv and see his name plastered everywhere while well groomed people he's never met call him a killer and request the death sentence.

XRQTOR · 22-02-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

the news is bloody sickening mate. apart from bearing with the 6 people he killed now he's going to be branded a reckless hoon the rest of his life and then he has to look at the tv and see his name plastered everywhere while well groomed people he's never met call him a killer and request the death sentence.

We don't have the death sentance here.

steweyau · 22-02-2006, 08:21 PM

no excuses here but I do know Mr Towles family. I also know someone who drove through that intersection about 20 minutes before the accident.

Yes - he did get out of the car
Yes - he did begin to start feeling for pulse
Yes - he did panic when he felt no pulse
Yes - he did run when confronted by an angry group (apparently brandishing at least one broken bottle which may have been held to hs neck)
Yes - he did give himself up to police.

Personally I think it will all come out in the investigation.
HTH
cheers

2Fast2FuriousDude · 22-02-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Fast2FuriousDude

Yes and you wouldn't know the circumstances either. The driver may have stopped briefly, until the remaining kids started threatening him so he may have drove away. Like did the driver flee the state go to another state. He couldn't have hid too much. The cops got him pretty soon. Have we heard the driver's side of the story yet? You got to understand the media will always twist the story to get us suckers in so they can make more money. It won't be until the court case is in process or finished when we hear the final outcome.
Now I was in the driver's situation, and the remaing dudes were threatening me, I wouldn't stop to help either.
Now considering the driver has received death threats or his family have, what makes you think the eye witnesses who the majority were 16 year old ****ers influenced by alcohol, were making up the part about the driver not stopping. He probably attempted to stop. As he started to slow down he may have seen a big crowd approaching.
Now you have to think, if the crowd weren't going to bash him or threaten the driver's life, why didn't the witnesses say the driver momentarily stopped? Then drove off.
No the witnesseses are saying that he didn't stop at all. This to me makes their story un-authententic. I say the crowd/witnesses raced over to the car yelling threatnening abuse and the driver then took off.
Otherwise the witnesses would have said he stopped and took off, and being in guilt knowing their wrong doing. Making up the fact the driver didn't stop.
Now I am going from the fact if the driver didn't intentionally run over these kids.
If this was a pure accidental incident. The driver in shock would have least pulled over momentarily thinking geez what have I just done. (as again providing it wasn't intentional) Maybe he then in shear shock then took off or saw a big crowd running towards and thought. Geez I have a 4 year old kid with me that could be in danger. So he took off.
I doubt he would have thought while running through these kids that he better keep going just in case the remaining bash the crap out of me. He would have been too busy trying to control the car and be in shock.
But as again, if this was intentional well then this puts my theory out of the door.
I am not sure if I am making sense. But there has to be a reason for the driver not stopping and why in the first place he lost control of the car. Maybe the four year old on his lap, (if there was a kid on the lap) yanked the steering wheel. Or being the typical 4 year old kid, started to poke his Daddy in the face or eyes for the fun of it.
We won't know until the court case is in place or finished.
In this country we work on innocent until proven guilty. So I think any comments on how the driver should be punished should be seated until he is proven quilty of his actions.

Cheers,
Jim

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Exactly what I had worked out, according to the minimal evidence I had.

Cheers,
Jim

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Simmo · 22-02-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

We don't have the death sentance here.

i was being dramatic.

Bobman · 23-02-2006, 12:00 AM

Amazing how people start pointing fingers on here without knowing what the situation is like, are these members day time only driver's without any weekend experience?

Large crowds can be very unpredictable & that road where this incident occurred is very dark at the best of times.

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 23-02-2006, 01:00 AM

Wicked I agree , I dont know the road , or the people involved , But I do know from the news pictures I have seen , what the place would be like at night . Its just common sense and the knowlege that I wasnt there so could know nothing of what happened that I wont point fingers at the driver, but some people here seem to think that from the media that they know what happened and the bloke must have deliberately mowed these kids down for the hell of it! I tend to think it was he realy doesnt deserve to be in the predicament he is in ! Neither do the Kids , but all these stupid people ready to hang him high without investigation cause he was the driver need to wake up too themselves ! For All I know he may end up being entirely to blame, but I seriously doubt it ! There is lots more we arent being told yet , or will never know !

DOC · 23-02-2006, 01:35 AM

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but all these stupid people ready to hang him high without investigation cause he was the driver need to wake up too themselves ! !

It is sad for everyone involved, and the courts will eventually determin the outcome, as to the comment above these reactions are normal , be it wrong or right.

When we were kids a drunk who just had a fight with his partner ran a stop sign at high speed collecting my brother and two of his mates.

It was a devestating scene where one died on the spot and the other two were in intensive car for weeks hanging on a thread.

even today my brother after having half his head replaced, and many internal organs removed still is in pain more often than not.

At the time ( once again in a small town ) the driver had two choices, leave town ( fast ) or never to leave at all but in a box.

Not proud to say this was the case but back then all logic went out the window and he was labelled and marked.

He left town and was never seen or herd of again.

KUZMIN · 23-02-2006, 12:52 PM

Apparently the police found alcohol in his body (was told by one of the people that survived). however they found it 4hrs after the accident so they cant pin it on him.
My friend (and I) are devistated about this. However I have a different view of the matter..it is a possibility that he had a drink after the accident to calm him down? My friend claims he was drunk when he crashed...he also said that his mate saw him do a runner and he tried running after him, however callapsed soon after as he had a broken foot.

I simply think it was a terrible accident...and it has made a HUGE effect on me about how I see cars.

Now if you exuse me, I have a flight to Mildura

Keepleft · 23-02-2006, 04:48 PM

All that we read in this thread in relation to Mildura is allegation and hearsay.

This does not prevent generic crash discussion, or of old or finalised cases and outcomes.

Those of you knowing persons or family in anyway involved in this awful case really would do well to keep your thoughts to yourselves for now.

"Due process". It will be the courts that eventually decide outcome. Comments made here by any party *could* mean a summons by either side.

Issues in relation to defamation and liability also come into potential play. You need to be patient, behave, and let time pass before moving on - which you must.

Threats, anywhere physically or by any electronic medium become matters for police and such are treated seriously.

Grechie · 23-02-2006, 06:40 PM

RIP to all victims....