bf2 power and specs - Page 5

Paxton · 18-09-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeap I am starting to get over it aswell. They crap on on and about equallying if not surpassing the euro stuff, and yet they cant even option a bloody manual.

AMG, M Power etc still have the convential manual as an option, yet FPV cant even do that!

In Europe, the main Transmission of choice is a Manual. They haven't cottoned onto the Auto Revolution, and with the quality of the French Auto's, I don't blame them. The Germans however is another matter. AMG and M have the demand in their home countries to supply Manuals, and they spend time and money refining the package for both (and in come cases three) transmissions.

Compare that to Australia. We are a country with large cities, that are sparsely dotted around the continent. Out Cities are populated, and traffic is awful. Autos, therefore is the Transmission of choice for new car buyers. Especially with the quality of the ZF in the Falcon. The Fairmont wouldn't have many Manual buyers, as it is seen as a "Luxury Car", not a "Sports Car", which the Force 6/8 won't be either.

T3ts50 · 18-09-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeap I am starting to get over it aswell. They crap on on and about equallying if not surpassing the euro stuff, and yet they cant even option a bloody manual.

AMG, M Power etc still have the convential manual as an option, yet FPV cant even do that!

AMGs are autos only

**Polyal** · 18-09-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Exactly my thinking, manual would be a wasted option on this kind of vehicle given its target market.

I agree that the large majority of sales will be auto. But my point is, and Ive probably harped on about it too much, how friggen hard is it to offer the manual as an option?

There is NO work to be done, as has been said before, this car is no different to a GT/F6 powertrain wise, so were is the issue?

Alot of people buy a car based heavily an its transmission. And if FPV is going to continue its campaign of "performance" cars, then what kind of performance car doesn't have a damn manual option?

Im peeved because there is no good reason as to why it cant be done, its a no brainer that potentially could increase sales with no further work required.

Fords problem is that they see things from a model on model perspective. A GT should be no different to a XT other than the obvious upgrades, and if someone wants a manual then they should be able to tick that box. Even if its a cost option I would lay money on it that people will pay for it.

And just because the target is 50 year olds, doesn't mean that they have one foot in the grave. Most of them are buying an FPV because they can, but also because they want to relive their childhood (or some physcological thing like that).

What about my Ghia? Ok its not a new car, but Im most definately not the target customer. There are people off all tastes, and if you can broaden your audience with no cost to yourself then why not.

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After this thread I promise to stop harping on about the whole manual thing...lol

EDIT: I also remember reading that BMW put a conventual manual option on the 6 series just for the US market aswell, and they are lazier than us!

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**Polyal** · 18-09-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

The manual driveline probably isn't refined enough which would be another issue as well.

Thats another issue that FPV has, but if its good enough for a GTP and everything else then its good enough for a force. By not having it they are almost confirming that the T56 is a POS.

WOTDAH · 18-09-2006, 10:20 PM

Its not that easy to just slap a manual ina ghia. It is accually a very costly addition on the production line. It would mean new wiring looms new computer ect. Research shows that majority of ghia buyers want auto's.

**Polyal** · 18-09-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WOTDAH

Its not that easy to just slap a manual ina ghia. It is accually a very costly addition on the production line. It would mean new wiring looms new computer ect. Research shows that majority of ghia buyers want auto's.

AH, how I hate it when people say that. FPV should be scrambling for all the sales they can, not making excuses.

I thought a GTP was based off a fairmont/ghia? So isn't a Force just a GTP without the kit and wheels? Therefore it isn't anymore work.

Boss 290 · 22-09-2006, 03:18 PM

speaking of bf2....im not 100 percent sure but i think i may have seen a new v8 ghia....it sounded nice and had a different front....it was near canterbury road coming back from milperra...it was going to quick for me to be 100 percent but...maybe it went for more tests near peter warren ford...what ever it was doing it has made me realise that bf2 may be here with in a fortnight

WOTDAH · 22-09-2006, 06:05 PM

Mate, they will be. They are in production now and have been for a week. But Ford are shut down next week.

Boss 290 · 22-09-2006, 07:45 PM

why are ford shut done ?

Smoke Pursuit · 22-09-2006, 07:48 PM

didnt they start on the 21st?

I heard dealers will start getting them late next week early first week off oct.

qwigybo · 23-09-2006, 03:14 AM

http://www.newfalcon.com.au/servlet/...5190&c=DFYPage
BF 2 release website has images of the ghia and XR
power doesn't seem to have changed from the BF 1 xr6t has 245kw 480nm
come on sale oct 22nd

WOTDAH · 23-09-2006, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Boss 290

why are ford shut done ?

Because they are not selling enough cars. Seems odd that they decided to do it just before they release an up grade. But that is Fords way of thinking.

**data_mine** · 23-09-2006, 10:12 AM

I just wish they put a descent amount of space between the manual pedals and the kick panel.

I've bought an auto GT-P (delivery next week hopefully), becuase I couldn't physically drive the manual, I didn't think my feet were that wide. I just can't get the accelerator without dragiing my foot down the kick panel AND tapping the brake.

xr8ted · 24-09-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by data_mine

I just wish they put a descent amount of space between the manual pedals and the kick panel.

I've bought an auto GT-P (delivery next week hopefully), becuase I couldn't physically drive the manual, I didn't think my feet were that wide. I just can't get the accelerator without dragiing my foot down the kick panel AND tapping the brake.

I dont find the manual to be a problem at all, and I have have very wide size 14 feet???

**data_mine** · 24-09-2006, 11:20 AM

I wear a size 13.

I'm rusty in a manual for sure, but the day I tested a F6 manual, I'd just come from a VZ Clubbie* manual and had no problems.

*They go like stink in a straight line, but can't handle for ****.

Bossxr8 · 24-09-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WOTDAH

Because they are not selling enough cars. Seems odd that they decided to do it just before they release an up grade. But that is Fords way of thinking.

This week off is annual leave shutdown and has been on the calender since last year. Nothing to do with not selling enough cars. Better to do it before the new model is released to avoid a big build up of old models.

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FPV8U · 24-09-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ted

I dont find the manual to be a problem at all, and I have have very wide size 14 feet???

Same mate ive got wide size 14's and i don't have any trouble at all!