February 2013 Sales Figures - Shock as Nissan bumps Holden

[Bossxr8]

Isn't that because the Genk plant workers went on strike after Ford announced the plant closure?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

What, like the Mondeo? 152 sales is absolutely appalling for a car like that.

Check out the Accord Euro... Down 800 units from this time last year....

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Isn't that because the Genk plant workers went on strike after Ford announced the plant closure?

They haven't had deliveries for months..
I have to say switching to another plant has to be better than never ending FoE dramas with supply.
Surely there is cause to make another line at Broadmeadows with the right delivery volume, Mondeo/Fusion would shine..

[Fordman]

Maybe nissans involvment in v8 supercars inspired people into buying tiida's >_>

[JPFS1]

Some more data, not sure if it's been posted.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

Some more data, not sure if it's been posted.

Thats 8235 sales out of 90,000 = 9.15%. I know Holden mentioned that down days were coming, But at 3900 local sales and (being generous) 1500 exports per month @ a build rate of 350 per day, they must be taking a week off every month to prevent stock build up (or just building up lotsa stock).

Theres 4001 total cruze, commodore, caprice, ute sales on the other page. 3896 look like they were locally made, must mean they sold 105 of the imported cruze wagons.

[R-Design]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

What, like the Mondeo? 152 sales is absolutely appalling for a car like that.

Don't forget it's apparently taken the 100+ Fleet sales per month that Falcon Wagon was getting.

[mik]

at this rate in 10 years Australian local production from all brands will be........ ???, i would take a punt and say three fifths of bugger all.

[JPFS1]

some more stats...

Private and Business sales make up majority of sales.

Private Passenger market down -3.5% for the month, but slightly up for YTD.

Private Business market down -5% for the month, and -6% YTD.

Private SUV market 15% up for the month, 22% up YTD.

Business SUV market up 20% for the month, and 17% YTD.

LPG: 78% down for the month (-25 units) and 65% down YTD (-35 units).

Govt Passenger sales: down -42% for the month, and just over that YTD.

Govt SUV sales: down -24% for the month, and slightly better for YTD.

[Whitey-AMG]

Commodore sold double falcon.....
This is beyond marketing incompetence......there is an ingrained negativity toward the Falc. Sad really......

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by ESP

Commodore sold double falcon.....
This is beyond marketing incompetence......there is an ingrained negativity toward the Falc. Sad really......

Theres a few more issues to consider, like the fact Holden still have a wagon (Falcon doesn't) and that supply on Falcon was rather low, lpg non supply and they didnt build enough Limited Editions to meet demand.

Tough gig.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Theres a few more issues to consider, like the fact Holden still have a wagon (Falcon doesn't) and that supply on Falcon was rather low, lpg non supply and they didnt build enough Limited Editions to meet demand.

Tough gig.

Maybe.....but at the end of the day.....it may take 3 -4 years again before those buyers that had to go elsewhere are back in the market for a repurchase.....will the Falc be around then ?

Can terri exist without the falcon or will it be a double wammy....

[mik]

Originally Posted by ESP

Commodore sold double falcon.....
This is beyond marketing incompetence......there is an ingrained negativity toward the Falc. Sad really......

i don`t think so, if you look at what commodore was selling at their peak 8/10/12 years ago, commodore has gone down hill big heaps too, if those earlier figure are correct and commodore are doing 57 cars per day, when i was carting parts for them some years ago, they where doing 800 cars a day, look at Aurion sales, it appears sedans look to be on borrowed time.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by mik

i don`t think so, if you look at what commodore was selling at their peak 8/10/12 years ago, commodore has gone down hill big heaps too, if those earlier figure are correct and commodore are doing 57 cars per day, when i was carting parts for them some years ago, they where doing 800 cars a day, look at Aurion sales, it appears sedans look to be on borrowed time.

They have both declined dramatically.....however - when it comes to big aussie sedan purchases - the Commodore ( sedan / wagon ) is outselling Falc 2 to 1. Whatever the reason......... if its a supply issue - then its self perpetuating. The less you sell - the less you need you need to make......the more supply issues you have - the less you sell.......etc.

[Brazen]

What a waste of time Mondeo is, it takes sales from Falcon and sells bugger all even when the Falcon wagon fleet market landed in its lap (shock, buyers preferred the Falcon).

Even the F250 used to sell around 150 to 200 a month and that was when the US dollar was a lot lot higher.

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by mik

i don`t think so, if you look at what commodore was selling at their peak 8/10/12 years ago, commodore has gone down hill big heaps too, if those earlier figure are correct and commodore are doing 57 cars per day, when i was carting parts for them some years ago, they where doing 800 cars a day, look at Aurion sales, it appears sedans look to be on borrowed time.

And that is the main issue I reckon.

Who wants a sedan anymore? They are the least practical body shape available. I would never consider any sedan, despite being a Falcon fan. Every single person I know would never consider a sedan either. SUV's, hatches, and to perhaps a lesser extent wagons is where its at these days.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

And that is the main issue I reckon.

Who wants a sedan anymore? They are the least practical body shape available. I would never consider any sedan, despite being a Falcon fan. Every single person I know would never consider a sedan either. SUV's, hatches, and to perhaps a lesser extent wagons is where its at these days.

Yeah, right. Hatches and SUVs are relics from the 1980s and 90s. Sedans are the *original* body style of vehicle and always will be. Half of all small cars sold in Australia are sedans, and you're saying they're not popular?! Australia's most popular car at the moment is the Mazda3, and 50% of them sold are sedans.

[R-Design]

Originally Posted by Brazen

What a waste of time Mondeo is, it takes sales from Falcon and sells bugger all even when the Falcon wagon fleet market landed in its lap (shock, buyers preferred the Falcon).

Even the F250 used to sell around 150 to 200 a month and that was when the US dollar was a lot lot higher.

Next gen Mondeo will be available in Petrol/Diesel/Hybrid and in Fwd/Awd, and Sedan/Hatch/Wagon configurations. It'll also have enough tech to make Merc and BMW cringe. It'll do in the Medium segment what the New Focus has done for Ford in the small car segment. Ford AU just need it now, unfortunately it'll do more to kill off Falcon in this country than the Commodore will.

Lets just hope Ford get the right model mix to market in the right quantities.

[turbodewd]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

And that is the main issue I reckon.

Who wants a sedan anymore? They are the least practical body shape available. I would never consider any sedan, despite being a Falcon fan. Every single person I know would never consider a sedan either. SUV's, hatches, and to perhaps a lesser extent wagons is where its at these days.

I want a sedan. Nothing feels more in command and control of a highway than a large sedan. SUV? Too slow, not nimble, too high. Small car? Cant overtake, no space, cant climb hills at speed, feels scary small near trucks.

A Falcon is totally up my alley. The effortless power is why I buy these cars


Effortless is the key.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Yeah, right. Hatches and SUVs are relics from the 1980s and 90s. Sedans are the *original* body style of vehicle and always will be. Half of all small cars sold in Australia are sedans, and you're saying they're not popular?! Australia's most popular car at the moment is the Mazda3, and 50% of them sold are sedans.

Really? Don't know where 50% figure came from but just looking at Focus, Fiesta sales I would say most are Hatchbacks .... also Mazda 2/3 seem to be a hatch? Don't think the Cruze hatch has taken off amazingly but in the main I would say the top sellers in the models above are not sedans. But then I don't have the figures. I would also suggest that SUV's and 4x4's in general have gone stupid in the sales stakes.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Fordman

Maybe nissans involvment in v8 supercars inspired people into buying tiida's >_>

Without a doubt. I've heard a rumour now that they are also bringing back the SSS Stanza...........

[Mad_Pom]

Originally Posted by Brazen

What a waste of time Mondeo is, it takes sales from Falcon and sells bugger all even when the Falcon wagon fleet market landed in its lap (shock, buyers preferred the Falcon).

Even the F250 used to sell around 150 to 200 a month and that was when the US dollar was a lot lot higher.

Brazen I think you will find the problem with Mondeo is that there is currently limited stock in Australia. The reason for this is from when Ford announced that it was looking to close Genk 24th October 2012 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20054924 until Jan 22nd 2012 - http://www.just-auto.com/news/ford-g..._id130892.aspx not 1 Mondeo was produced.

As you can imagine there would be a ramp up in production (after a 3 month shutdown), lots of pent up demand and a 6 week boat trip from Europe.

Not too suprised that Mondeo volumes are low.

[jpd80]

Just remember, sales are no guarantee of success and that GM lead Ford ll the way into bankruptcy.

Interesting that the production figures posted by JPFS1 indicate that yes, Ford's production volume has dropped
but the really big drops have happened over at Holden, that would be worrying news for Holden fans...

It just goes to show how crucial a great launch for VF Commodore will be to Holden's prospects.
Without that sales increase, Holden and Ford might be thrown into chaos and the Falcon further imperiled..

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by turbodewd

I want a sedan. Nothing feels more in command and control of a highway than a large sedan. SUV? Too slow, not nimble, too high. Small car? Cant overtake, no space, cant climb hills at speed, feels scary small near trucks.

A Falcon is totally up my alley. The effortless power is why I buy these cars


Effortless is the key.

SUV too slow? not nimble? hahah you're kidding right? Territory disproves all of that. A brilliant handler and power to boot with decent handling. With the added features of practicality.
That is without even considering the X5, X6 and the Cayenne (see the GTS). These will embarass many a sedan. I wouldn't consider many sedans nimble most are basic family run abouts.

What small car have you driven lately that doesn't have the power to go up a hill and has no space? Jeez most of the small cars these days would have been considered medium 20 years ago.

it is fine you like large sedans but you don't have to type unsubstantiated rubbish to justify your choice.

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

From talking to Holden workers I get the sense the writings on the wall As even 10 year veterans are worried about there job.

Meh. I worked at Ford in Geelong in 1989/90 as a Mig welder on the EA26 & SA30 Capris, and the workers there were saying Ford would be gone in ten years too. Falcon was the biggest selling car in Australia at the time.

I also worked at Alcoa in Geelong in 1993/1994. The workers there said they doubted Alcoa would exist at Pt Henry in ten years time. I suppose that's why they're grunts and not in management. Pessimistic and no idea. Or maybe that's just people in Geelong.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Ducati888

Meh. I worked at Ford in Geelong in 1989/90 as a Mig welder on the EA26 & SA30 Capris, and the workers there were saying Ford would be gone in ten years too. Falcon was the biggest selling car in Australia at the time.

Actually Ford Falcon was no. 2 in 1989 and 1990.

I don't have 1989 numbers, but in 1990:

Commodore & Lexcen combined: 73230
Falcon: 58967

You can see why they'd be worried with sales like that. Sales dropped further to 48430 in 1991.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

Some more data, not sure if it's been posted.

What figures are they for?

[turbodewd]

Originally Posted by Wretched

SUV too slow? not nimble? hahah you're kidding right? Territory disproves all of that. A brilliant handler and power to boot with decent handling. With the added features of practicality.
That is without even considering the X5, X6 and the Cayenne (see the GTS). These will embarass many a sedan. I wouldn't consider many sedans nimble most are basic family run abouts.

What small car have you driven lately that doesn't have the power to go up a hill and has no space? Jeez most of the small cars these days would have been considered medium 20 years ago.

it is fine you like large sedans but you don't have to type unsubstantiated rubbish to justify your choice.

Wretched,

Im comparing my stock FG turbo with the typical SUV or typical small car. All of my points are totally valid. There is no rubbish in my post as I set the terms of my definitions.

You put 4 people in a Mazda3 or a Yaris and you cant overtake and it can certainly take a hill, but not effortlessly by any means. When I mean overtake I refer to brisk overtaking.

Im sure the X6 is a decent handler (for an SUV), but the X6 is as common on the road as hen's teeth. A Kluger/Terri/Rav4 is closer to the typical SUV. You can still use these on the highway, but the Falcon - by my measures - is leaps n bounds ahead for the highway experience I desire.

[flooded one]

nothing wrong with sedans. I'd rather a falcon over any hatchback. don't care how cheap it is too run. I reckon I could cram more stuff in a falcon/commodore/camry then a Nissan micra

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Yeah, right. Hatches and SUVs are relics from the 1980s and 90s. Sedans are the *original* body style of vehicle and always will be. Half of all small cars sold in Australia are sedans, and you're saying they're not popular?! Australia's most popular car at the moment is the Mazda3, and 50% of them sold are sedans.

I'm not quite following your argument.

Hatches and SUV's are "relics" from the 1980's & 1990's, while sedans are the "original" body sytle, ie "relics" from the 1900's.... ok then

There is a lot to be said for the Sedan body style - they look good, quieter inside, more rigid than a hatch. But for so many people the practicality just isn't there. When I said I would never consider one its not because I dont like them, its because I could never justify the outlay for a car that doesn't come close to suiting my requirements. So no need for anyone to get touchy now...