Are we car enthusiasts being weeded out?

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by MAD

That's what I call a 'fan boy'.

Id call them the people who kept ford and holden here for aslong as they did by buying a car that wasnt the best going to a car race that wasnt exciting buying merchandise that was over priced chinese junk putting up with crap dealers and service but its what they lived for rather then just jumping ship because some pos car had an extra speaker like the rest of australia did but hey they lost the battle now the fanboys and australians are all out of a job and you'se can all be happy the "real car enthusiasts" finally won out. Now while you all troddle of with your mustang and euro trash not caring in particular how its made where why for how much by whom. The people who actually gave a **** about falcon will retire to there sheds to continue a dream they had since child hood.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by f6_benito

I think many underestimate enthusiasts like stevz..

They dont just turn the page and have a passion for other cars, this passion is not a simple choice but ingrained over decades and generations. They are not turncoats

many hardcore falcon enthusiasts will never own a commodore (closest substitute) let alone some other completely different style of car. But people on here think they will just get on with it?

These enthusiasts also dont just evolve overnight. The au falcon was poorly received because it was too different to the norm (au was a very decent car in substance). Imagine going cold turkey....no falcon at all!!!

Then no commodore either (closest substitute most likely gain these enthusiasts with equally impressive history and heritage)

These enthusiasts wont just shed their skin overnight and "evolve" as many say. These enthusiasts are underestimated and represent a large part of the enthusiasts community in this country.

With the demise of the falcon and commodore i think the associated enthusiasts are being weeded out and thrown out with the bath water.

When I first joined this forum there was such intense passion for the Falcon and Aussie made Fords and it both amazes and saddens me how this has basically withered away to nothing in a few short years. People are acting as if the Falcon is just another soulless disposable piece of junk like a Hyundai or Kia and 60 years of heritage means diddly squat. Sad. Incredibly sad.

[khodeer]

Just because they're shutting down I dont think it means that we can't be enthusiasts anymore

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by f6_benito

I think many underestimate enthusiasts like stevz..

They dont just turn the page and have a passion for other cars, this passion is not a simple choice but ingrained over decades and generations. They are not turncoats

many hardcore falcon enthusiasts will never own a commodore (closest substitute) let alone some other completely different style of car. But people on here think they will just get on with it?

These enthusiasts also dont just evolve overnight. The au falcon was poorly received because it was too different to the norm (au was a very decent car in substance). Imagine going cold turkey....no falcon at all!!!

Then no commodore either (closest substitute most likely gain these enthusiasts with equally impressive history and heritage)

These enthusiasts wont just shed their skin overnight and "evolve" as many say. These enthusiasts are underestimated and represent a large part of the enthusiasts community in this country.

With the demise of the falcon and commodore i think the associated enthusiasts are being weeded out and thrown out with the bath water.

You cant really be a turncoat when it comes to cars though. We're not fighting a war with our cars or doing anything that actually means anything. Whether its a Datsun ute or an AMG SLR its just a car for someone to own and hopefully enjoy. Theres nothing wrong with just liking one car, if thats your thing acting like everything else is **** is silly though. But honestly in this day and age enthusiasts lie Stevz are rare, the Commodore scene thesedays is full of guys that adore the JDM scene. Same with Falcon, just look at all the stance and wrap that's becoming huge in Australia. People in general are very open minded thesedays and often like more than one type of car. Myself I'm pretty much into every car scene; Muscle, JDM, Euro, 4x4, Mini truck, Aussie, and that's really the norm thesedays. Just look at this thread the majority are sticking up for Asian cars.

Fanboys are by association due to only liking one type of car will be out of options, the rest of us though will have more options. I'm looking forward to more JDM workshops popping up and guys specializing in working on Mustangs. I can even foolishly dream and hope that all the import taxes we have that price basic Mercs at $120,000 minimum here will be removed making those cars more attainable.

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by stevz

When I first joined this forum there was such intense passion for the Falcon and Aussie made Fords and it both amazes and saddens me how this has basically withered away to nothing in a few short years. People are acting as if the Falcon is just another soulless disposable piece of junk like a Hyundai or Kia and 60 years of heritage means diddly squat. Sad. Incredibly sad.

The sad thing is you are so ignorant and yet still here spruking crap ..

[khodeer]

Can someone define 'Enthusiast' haha

[BHDOGS]

A falcon enthusiasts lament

Imports to right of them,
Euros to left of them,
Mustangs in front of them
  Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with posts and argument,
Boldly they drove and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
  drove the six hundred.

[UberKnee]

What can be done with a Kia:

[stevz]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

What can be done with a Kia:
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Pffft..... and?

All I see there is a hideously ugly car with stupidly impractical low suspension.
Not to mention that is just a gutless 4 cylinder fwd appliance.

[Professor Farnsworth]

stevzzz, how many new Falcons have you personally purchased and what were they?

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by stevz

Pffft..... and?

All I see there is a hideously ugly car with stupidly impractical low suspension.
Not to mention that is just a gutless 4 cylinder fwd appliance.

That's all your opinion, but doesn't reflect every enthusiast. Those 4 cylinders are actually pretty quick, in the States they are getting very impressive numbers out of these Ultima's.

[Express]

Originally Posted by f6_benito

These enthusiasts wont just shed their skin overnight and "evolve" as many say. These enthusiasts are underestimated and represent a large part of the enthusiasts community in this country.

With the demise of the falcon and commodore i think the associated enthusiasts are being weeded out and thrown out with the bath water.

The bulk of people who buy cars are not enthusiasts, they are commuters.

When you take into account the number of different brands and model types currently sold here the new Falcon and Commodore numbers as a percentage sold to enthusiasts starts to become severely diluted. Also remembering not all people who buy performance cars are enthusiasts, they are just people who can afford to buy them. Same applies to the bulk of vehicles that don’t fall into the performance mould which can just as easily have been bought and owned by an enthusiast. You see them driving around but you wouldn't even know it.

Then add to the mix all the brands and model types that were once sold here but are now defunct and still add the vehicles that were never sold here by the manufacturers such as Japanese grey imports and old school American muscle remembering these types of vehicles are predominately being imported by the enthusiast market your Ford and Commodore enthusiast is now starting to become a washed in a huge sea of enthusiasts into other brands, models and years.

Late model Fords and Commodores will go the way of all vehicles as they age, they’ll end up on the scrap heap and some will be saved by enthusiasts.

Originally Posted by MAD

That's what I call a 'fan boy'.

I like this comment but I do struggle to understand what the difference is between an enthusiast and a ‘Fanboy’ other than to say a ‘Fanboy’ if they are an enthusiast, is an enthusiast with a closed mind.

I’m not much into Japanese cars nor English, Korean, Russian, Vintage, turbos, sixes or fours, 4x4, exotics, FWD or fluorescent pink cars but because I’m very much into the cars I do like, I fully understand why others are attracted to them.

An enthusiast has a passion and it’s others people's passions that I understand, not their taste. And for that reason alone I can appreciate their choice and understand what drives them.

Maybe the thread has long stopped going anywhere because seriously the loss of a brand or make of car is not going to stop people from having a passion. It hasn’t before and it won’t in the future.

Therefore “are we car enthusiasts being weeded out?” No way, the passion lives on.



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[Nikked]

Originally Posted by f6_benito

I think many underestimate enthusiasts like stevz..

They dont just turn the page and have a passion for other cars, this passion is not a simple choice but ingrained over decades and generations. They are not turncoats

many hardcore falcon enthusiasts will never own a commodore (closest substitute) let alone some other completely different style of car. But people on here think they will just get on with it?

These enthusiasts also dont just evolve overnight. The au falcon was poorly received because it was too different to the norm (au was a very decent car in substance). Imagine going cold turkey....no falcon at all!!!

Then no commodore either (closest substitute most likely gain these enthusiasts with equally impressive history and heritage)

These enthusiasts wont just shed their skin overnight and "evolve" as many say. These enthusiasts are underestimated and represent a large part of the enthusiasts community in this country.

With the demise of the falcon and commodore i think the associated enthusiasts are being weeded out and thrown out with the bath water.

Oh FFS...

• No one is flat out suggesting that come 2017 Falcon fans are going to jump ship and barrack for Great Wall...
  
• Ford enthusiasts will continue as Ford enthusiasts post falcon.
  
• Falcon enthusiasts will continue to exist post-Falcon, tinkering with them in the same way they do now.
  
• Above point are relevant for Holden and the Commodore.
  
• Enthusiasts exist beyond the realm of Holden and Ford, enthusiasts are not being "weeded out" there is now world wide conspiracy to stop bogans polishing XR8 badges...

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by stevz

Pffft..... and?

All I see there is a hideously ugly car with stupidly impractical low suspension.
Not to mention that is just a gutless 4 cylinder fwd appliance.

They are enthusiasts being enthusiasts, stop being a boring negative judgmental freak.

[jamies]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

stevzzz, how many new Falcons have you personally purchased and what were they?

I'm also interested to know what Stevz drives.. as a fellow enthusiast with so much to say on every topic, what do you drive what fords are parked in your garage. You speak of European cars and Aussie cars as the bees knees.. I've owned a couple of 68 XT's and XE esp's,XD Esp's. Built a ford show car, currently have an Fpv I've worked for ford supporterd them buy buying genuine parts when I can. Helped organise a ford car show,while I was working for them.. Had my XD Esp photos signed by Dick Johnson who I might ad loved the XD.. So what's you claim to fame ?? My wife drives a as you call it "jap"appliance Mazda 3.. Who is Mazda aligned with ford hmmm.. Your arguments lack any substance and go on about the same dribble. Here's an idea go and research some constructive criticism and come back with something different - cheers Jamie.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by jamies

It's also sad that as an asian growing up in Australia negative comments are still directed at where cars are made and your classed by what you drive... Some of the comments on this Forum are rather amusing. Do you think in Asia they get on forums and bag out the Aussie product when some of there standard models are very Quick from factory. I'm a ford fan and have been since the 70's but gee.

This is human nature and not to be confused with weak and ridiculous modern day concepts of racism. To many car enthusiasts it's very important where the car is made as many cultural identities/passions are bundled in with that car. For example, as someone who has grown up in a world saturated with Aussie muscle that were based on American themes, why should I be interested in a car of Asian or European origin?

Do we class each other by what we drive? You bet we do. What is the crime in that? Me - 1971 ZD Fairlane in slightly bruised condition = total bogan!!!

I imagine the situation would be the same in Asia. It would be hard to imagine that some slick looking 21st century Asian 'man about town' would be cruising the streets and eyeing off the ladies in a Datsun 1600...

[jamies]

Originally Posted by superyob

This is human nature and not to be confused with weak and ridiculous modern day concepts of racism. To many car enthusiasts it's very important where the car is made as many cultural identities/passions are bundled in with that car. For example, as someone who has grown up in a world saturated with Aussie muscle that were based on American themes, why should I be interested in a car of Asian or European origin?

Do we class each other by what we drive? You bet we do. What is the crime in that? Me - 1971 ZD Fairlane in slightly bruised condition = total bogan!!!

I imagine the situation would be the same in Asia. It would be hard to imagine that some slick looking 21st century Asian 'man about town' would be cruising the streets and eyeing off the ladies in a Datsun 1600...

The slick Asian man would be cruising around town on his moped.. picking up the ladies.... true story..

Superyob 1971 ZD Fairlaine in brusied condition = tough as nails and super cool..

[superyob]

Originally Posted by 9sec Menace

The sad thing is you are so ignorant and yet still here spruking crap ..

Your 'wisdom' has not exactly lit up the stage... If other peoples' arguments upset you on this forum don't join in...

Simples...

[GQ_Smooth]

Hey, the ladies love the Datsun!

[superyob]

Originally Posted by jamies

The slick Asian man would be cruising around town on his moped.. picking up the ladies.... true story..

Superyob 1971 ZD Fairlaine in brusied condition = tough as nails and super cool..

So are they moped enthusiasts or just can't afford a car?

[jamies]

Originally Posted by superyob

So are they moped enthusiasts or just can't afford a car?

Just mixing up a bit, leaving the Datsun at home and taking the Moped for a spin..

[superyob]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Hey, the ladies love the Datsun!

Ok! Since you have dragged it out of me, I will tell you! I like Datsun 1600s and the late 70s/early 80s Datsun utes... There, I said it... I just have to go make sure my manhood is still intact...

[pottery beige]

stevz is good value around here, maybe too much for some..

he can have an opinion, i can have an opinion, you can have an opinion

so there

[jamies]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

stevz is good value around here, maybe too much for some..

he can have an opinion, i can have an opinion, you can have an opinion

so there

Ha ha ha thats actually pretty funny... if we all didnt have an opinion there wouldnt be a forum.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

What can be done photoshopping a Kia:
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fixed that for you

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Oh FFS...

[B]

• No one is flat out suggesting that come 2017 Falcon fans are going to jump ship and barrack for Great Wall...
  
• Ford enthusiasts will continue as Ford enthusiasts post falcon.
  
  
• Falcon enthusiasts will continue to exist post-Falcon, tinkering with them in the same way they do now.
  
• Above point are relevant for Holden and the Commodore.
  
• Enthusiasts exist beyond the realm of Holden and Ford, enthusiasts are not being "weeded out" there is now world wide conspiracy to stop bogans polishing XR8 badges...

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correct, we will and for many years to come

must admit with Ford pulling out. i am a Falcon and not a Ford fan

yep, i said it

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

stevz is good value around here, maybe too much for some..

he can have an opinion, i can have an opinion, you can have an opinion

so there

Well put, even though I normally don't agree wit Stevz's point of view, I also know I've been wrong just as many times as I've been right.

And as an Enthusiasts who has owned and modified:
3 Ford - Falcons.
1 Holden - Commodore
2 BMW's
1 Toyota/Lexus
1 Mazda

It is my god given right as an Australian to bag anyone who has a different point of view on cars, to what mine is at any given point in time (depending on what I am driving at the time or if the wind is blowing from the west or east on that day). I have little brand loyalty as the brands show little loyalty to repeat customers. I both envy and look down at those who stick to the one brand. Good luck to them, no need to let another persons point of view get you worked up. Life is to short, do a skid and get over it.

[Road Games]

[pottery beige]

well played sir

[pottery beige]

passionate, thread is passionate

thoroughly approve