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They're testing an auto GT-F in the forthcoming September issue due out on August 21, i'll post their results along with those from the new SC 5.0 Jaguar F Type coupe which they're also testing, in due course. I don't know the results yet but I'd bet serious money their independent testing will show the GT-F doesn't match those GTS times. |
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15-08-2014, 01:33 PM | #157 | ||
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Think back to say 97 when 200kw at the fly was nuts and busting into the 14s was good haha and now were winging over 20kw at the wheels difference in factory fords and holdens running mid 12s from the factory.
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15-08-2014, 02:00 PM | #158 | ||
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If I were an owner of either of these cars, I'd be out driving them right now and having some fun rather than being on the forums measuring dick size/aerodynamics/thrust/girth/spray rate/rolling diameter etc and god knows what ever measuring device has been compared with in this thread.
I would have thought you Ford 'enthusiasts' would have been happy with that result. Go figure.
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15-08-2014, 02:03 PM | #159 | |||
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No such thing as "transient overboost".
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15-08-2014, 02:26 PM | #160 | |||
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I think this has really drawn a lot of attention because most people expected the HSV to outpower the GT-F (when you look at manufacturer claims) but here we have a smaller displacement motor (that's also non-intercooled) making more power than a larger intercooled engine! So then the argument starts over driveline losses or wheel size etc but we all know that HSV has once again overstated their flywheel output but some people are finding this hard to accept. To me, all this proves is that a modern DOHC motor is way more efficient at making huge amounts of power over a larger pushrod layout. Of course, you can't beat displacement for big torque numbers in the lower rev range.
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Hands up all those people who will be drag racing their GTF between street lights against a GTS who have mentioned that they will have to sit there waiting till the car gets to the right operating temperature?!
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So they should just start hammering a car from cold? Is that how they treat something they have just dropped 80k -120k for?
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15-08-2014, 03:31 PM | #164 | ||
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Far out, struggling to read some of the comments on here.... At the end of the day these two are both flippin awesome and none of us would complain if we owned one of these iconic cars. This is the end of an era. The difference between the GT-F and GTS would hardly even be noticeable on the road unless you were on a track and even then both would be amazing to drive.
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Im not trying to have a go, but it just feels like we are trying to make excuses NOT to accept these accolades for what I would consider minuscule reasons. I thought Wheels magazine was heavily biased towards the Red Army. Having such a test done, and with identical conditions would have been enough to settle neigh sayers once and for all.
Is it all that hard to accept such a huge PROVEN, UNBIASED test result and say that FPV won this widely contested debate with significance? it's not as if it was biased towards 1 particular brand which I woudn't have liked. If it had of been I too would have been sceptical. But it wasn't which is why I am asking the question.
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15-08-2014, 04:27 PM | #166 | ||
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Yes, yes the FPV won the dyno competition, well done and for the record I was always very happy with how my SC GT-P ran up the top end when I could get it to make over-boost
All the naysayers are suggesting that HSV are fudging their crankshaft rating which is what I take issue with. For the very few on here with the interest to look into the technical aspects of driveline loss they may find this material interesting. http://www.modified.com/tech/modp-10...s/viewall.html Last edited by Rodge; 15-08-2014 at 04:37 PM. |
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Yes and that's the reason why all us TRUE ford fans are commenting so much about this topic. It's the first truely unbiased controlled testing ever done and it gives us exactly what we always knew
Like I've said before....everyone claims to be the most powerfull......SO THATS what we've discovered here. Oh and rodge can you put up the results when they do a same day same cars test with a GTF vs that GTS that they ran allready. That'd be the only thing worth reading. |
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N.Z. Autocar have a good rep for unbiased reporting.
Yes there will be minor differences due to temperature and humidity and if you want to claim that makes it irrelevant that's your perogative. |
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So to sum up
GT-F wins power at the wheels GTS wins power at the engine GT-F wins bang for buck and collectivity GTS wins at all performance measures to date With the figures we have seen so far, we all know why manufacturers market power at the engine. Wheel figures vary and are not as sexy so to speak especially in the GTS case. |
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I guess some of us just like to talk about this subject. In my post I presented what I believe is the Herrod Dyno's calculation of Flywheel power, not my own. Actually I think all the Herrod power figures could have been higher. After comparing (previously seen) HSV/FPV speed and rev data in 4th gear with the speed and rev data in the video, I believe that there is about 10.4% speed missing with the HSV and about 9.1% missing with the Ford. When power is being calculated you're basically multiplying force by speed, so any slip is going to mean a lower calculated power figure. With that in mind I think that the RWKW power figure for the HSV should have been around 338.7 kW and that would be 14 kW less than the Ford (at 352.7). When it comes to what's at the flywheel, the Herrod Dyno appears to have calculated about an 85.18 kW transmission loss for the HSV and a 63.3 kW loss for the Ford. When I add these figures to the above calculated rear wheel killowatt numbers, I get 423.88 Flywheel killowatts for the HSV and 416.5 kW for the Ford. If my calculations are correct. The Ford has the highest peak power at the wheels (and is better at the flywheel than the 404 kW that has been suggested) and I would expect the HSV to have the highest average power (over the rev range) and to me that explains why it's apparently a bit faster even though it's a bit heavier than the Ford. Also 423.88 kW isn't too far from the HSV's claimed 430kW. Whatever the case though, they're both good cars and I personally don't mind which is the most powerful. Last edited by 2242100; 15-08-2014 at 05:50 PM. |
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I was saying I don't think anyone who got a GTF will be doing something so silly as street racing. And if I was at the track, I'd have it warned up and at the right temperature. I know I won't be street racing with mine when I pick her up in 2 weeks. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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this is about a dyno test people it is pretty simple you strap them on and run it a few times then write the results. wheels did this and now the right results are in the GT F is the most powerful car australia has ever built. No if's buts or should be's so get over it there are plenty of threads about lap times, quarter times, better car, and what if we had this instead of that.
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So what of the credibility of the first shop that did the original test? These cars were the same two originally dynoed... that certainly puts a mark on them IMO.
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Correction, they thrashed them from cold...
Lots of cars restrict power while cold. My lotus won't rev out if it's not up to temp, does that make a cold dyno valid for that vehicle? I find it odd that a reputable shop would not warm the cars up first to normal operating temp.
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this thread is just a pull. one of the vehicles is unavailable to buy, so really, the GTS is CURRENTLY the most powerful Aussie car you can walk in off the street and place an order. to me, the other one is already a distant memory.
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What is the most powerful production car ever produced in Australia as of 16/8/14.....? The FPV Gt F! It deserves to occupy whatever thread it wants until someone knocks it off its perch.... |
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