New Nsw Car Hoon Laws . Grandma Policing .

[flappist]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Hi. You will be fined however much it is. You most likley wont be sent to court ( if one would exceed signpost number by 20kmh+) since you live far from the place of offence.

If the speed detected was 30km over the posted number, im sure theyll throw the book at you, youll only be able to drive home and thats it for another 6 months or whenever they want to give your licence back.

They can only prevent you fron driving in NT not take your license completely. The issuing state is the only one that can do that.

Various states have various agreements that may make it automatic, require a show cause or just ignore it completely.

[GT450]

It's often stated on these forums that if you play you pay. Same with speeding if you know the limit and you exceed it and get caught don't complain. If you exceed it by 45kmh get caught, lose your car don't complain you knew the law before you broke it. The laws are there for ALL of us not just those who choose to obey them. XB GS351 coupe you are quite right and gtfpv you got caught don't blame the officer he was enforcing the law.
GT450

[XR6T0Y]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i agree with your post , but will oppose it mate . so much crap in there its not funny .
1st of all our average speed in our new performance GT is 38km/hr , 2nd of all , i havent had any speeding offence or fine in 15 years . 3rd of all i'm a tax payer , fully funded and self supported , pay all bills taxes and law abiding citezen , 4th of all , if it takes me 90 mins to 2 hours each way in sydney traffic now to go to work , how long would it take me to catch a combined taxi, train , and then taxi to get to work daily . and 5th of all your telling me i'm a total freak and deserve to get my $70 000 aussie performance car takien off me if i were to simply floor it for 2 or 3 seconds , overtaking a tired wandering truck driver on the m4 at 4 am in the morning . 2 times in 5 years . . yet there is no offence for being tired behind the wheel .

i will add further to this post .
yes i am totallyt aware of what a mistake can cost you or someone else . i once took my 6 year old son out onto the footpath on his peewee 50 , he was all fitted with helmet gloves and safety gear , i was on the back with no helmet , we were idling along at walking speed , i kid you not on the footpath going up to open land at the edge of my estate for a blap , when i highway patrol , pulled up and wanted a chat . the officer asked me if he knows how many laws i am breaking , my reply no not really but i know we shouldnt have the engine on and be on the bike on the footpath ,
he then proceeded to tell me , i'm breaking 7 laws , and can lose my car licence and truck licence , be fined $2500 on the spot , vitrually putting me out of a job also , and if i decide to continue onto that vacant public property there i will be breaking further laws . he suggested getting off the bike and walking home , which we did . then i sold the bike , my son now plays his playstation and lost all interest in the bike riding .
this has come a long way from when we rode our motorbikes down at the local park when i was a teen . and remember , i was putting along at walking pace . i undrstand one for all and all for one , and accept it . now i must remember never to speed at all no matter what , even when over taking briefly . because now it could ruin my life , even if nothing happens .

Trying to justify your point isn't working

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GT450

It's often stated on these forums that if you play you pay. Same with speeding if you know the limit and you exceed it and get caught don't complain. If you exceed it by 45kmh get caught, lose your car don't complain you knew the law before you broke it. The laws are there for ALL of us not just those who choose to obey them. XB GS351 coupe you are quite right and gtfpv you got caught don't blame the officer he was enforcing the law.
GT450

There are instance where dynamic speed boards are linked to spped cameras like the Clem 7 in brisbane
where the sign says 80 but the speed camera says the limit is 40, no joke....
The problem is that if there's a fault in the system, there's no way to prove it because the camera only snaps the number plate
and not the current speed sign read out...

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

1st of all our average speed in our new performance GT is 38km/hr , 2nd of all , i havent had any speeding offence or fine in 15 years . 3rd of all i'm a tax payer , fully funded and self supported , pay all bills taxes and law abiding citezen ..... 5th of all your telling me i'm a total freak and deserve to get my $70 000 aussie performance car takien off me if i were to simply floor it for 2 or 3 seconds , overtaking a tired wandering truck driver on the m4 at 4 am in the morning . 2 times in 5 years . . yet there is no offence for being tired behind the wheel .

I once took my 6 year old son out onto the footpath on his peewee 50 , he was all fitted with helmet gloves and safety gear , i was on the back with no helmet , we were idling along at walking speed , i kid you not on the footpath going up to open land at the edge of my estate for a blap , when i highway patrol , pulled up and wanted a chat . the officer asked me if he knows how many laws i am breaking , my reply no not really but i know we shouldnt have the engine on and be on the bike on the footpath ,
he then proceeded to tell me , i'm breaking 7 laws , and can lose my car licence and truck licence , be fined $2500 on the spot , vitrually putting me out of a job also , and if i decide to continue onto that vacant public property there i will be breaking further laws . he suggested getting off the bike and walking home , which we did . then i sold the bike , my son now plays his playstation and lost all interest in the bike riding .
this has come a long way from when we rode our motorbikes down at the local park when i was a teen . and remember , i was putting along at walking pace . i undrstand one for all and all for one , and accept it . now i must remember never to speed at all no matter what , even when over taking briefly . because now it could ruin my life , even if nothing happens .

I think you are confused about what law abiding actually means, you state you are law abiding, yet you state that you potentially want to overtake a truck doing 145km/hr (not sure if you have done this or not hence I said potentially), well if you do/did this then you would not be law abiding

On another note riding a unregistered, uninsured, and probably unroadworthy (no lights, indicators, brake lights horn etc etc), possibly unlicensed (unless you have a bike license) motorbike on a public footpath without a helmet with a child on board does not sound very law abiding to me I believe you were very very lucky that you got the softest Highway patrol copper in the whole police force to let you off with that, he must have had hot doughnuts in the car waiting to be taken back to the station for the boys He could have thrown the book at you as well as permanently confiscated the bike, I know that is what the local cops in my area are doing.

It is not the laws fault that you do not have a suitable property to ride a trail bike, I would also love to ride a trail bike but since I do not have a suitable property either I unfortunately can't, I can't just go and do it anyway in a public place, imagine if everyone did that, then what if someone (you or your son) gets hurt, who will pay for your lively hood then?? Next we would see you on a current affair sitting in a wheel chair crying for charity as you got hurt in a trail bike accident and now you can't support yourself and life is just so unfair, may be that Highway patrol copper saved your or your sons life, may be you should track him down and thank him for saving you or your son from your disregard for the law and your sons safety.

I am not sure where your fascination with overtaking comes from, if you need to go 45km over the limit to over take a truck, the truck is obviously going fast enough so there is no need to over take it.

You come up with some silly ideas in an attempt to justify irresponsible behaviour or simple lack of vehicle control, how would you like police to measure tired ness of a driver, unfortunately only things that can be measured can be controlled, ie alcohol consumption, drug consumption, speed etc or are you suggesting that we should not be allowed to drive at night just in case we are tired. You need to use common sense, not extremes, so if you are too tired to drive, don't, simple!

Again if the laws are too difficult to adhere to, or if your vehicle is too powerful for you to control there is always public transport or Smart Cars, if you choose to not abide then may be you will be forced into public transport.

45km over the limit is more than just a slip of the accellerator!

[woolleymammoth]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I think you are confused about what law abiding actually means, you state you are law abiding, yet you state that you potentially want to overtake a truck doing 145km/hr (not sure if you have done this or not hence I said potentially), well if you do/did this then you would not be law abiding

On another note riding a unregistered, uninsured, and probably unroadworthy (no lights, indicators, brake lights horn etc etc), possibly unlicensed (unless you have a bike license) motorbike on a public footpath without a helmet with a child on board does not sound very law abiding to me I believe you were very very lucky that you got the softest Highway patrol copper in the whole police force to let you off with that, he must have had hot doughnuts in the car waiting to be taken back to the station for the boys He could have thrown the book at you as well as permanently confiscated the bike, I know that is what the local cops in my area are doing.

It is not the laws fault that you do not have a suitable property to ride a trail bike, I would also love to ride a trail bike but since I do not have a suitable property either I unfortunately can't, I can't just go and do it anyway in a public place, imagine if everyone did that, then what if someone (you or your son) gets hurt, who will pay for your lively hood then?? Next we would see you on a current affair sitting in a wheel chair crying for charity as you got hurt in a trail bike accident and now you can't support yourself and life is just so unfair, may be that Highway patrol copper saved your or your sons life, may be you should track him down and thank him for saving you or your son from your disregard for the law and your sons safety.

I am not sure where your fascination with overtaking comes from, if you need to go 45km over the limit to over take a truck, the truck is obviously going fast enough so there is no need to over take it.

You come up with some silly ideas in an attempt to justify irresponsible behaviour or simple lack of vehicle control, how would you like police to measure tired ness of a driver, unfortunately only things that can be measured can be controlled, ie alcohol consumption, drug consumption, speed etc or are you suggesting that we should not be allowed to drive at night just in case we are tired. You need to use common sense, not extremes, so if you are too tired to drive, don't, simple!

Again if the laws are too difficult to adhere to, or if your vehicle is too powerful for you to control there is always public transport or Smart Cars, if you choose to not abide then may be you will be forced into public transport.

45km over the limit is more than just a slip of the accellerator!

WTH is wrong with people on here these days, you do realise that if it keeps going on like this, the market will dissapear. There will be no trail bikes to buy to ride, no gt's or fast fords to buy nothing, no fun.

People buy these things to experience, to use why else? Why do you have an xb or a gt? Probably just to sit at the lights and look good, just a poser really.

My ute does 90-150 in 2.5 secs, no one can argue that it isn't safer to get around a truck in 2.5secs than sit out in oncomming traffic for 10-15 at the speed limit.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by woolleymammoth

WTH is wrong with people on here these days, you do realise that if it keeps going on like this, the market will dissapear. There will be no trail bikes to buy to ride, no gt's or fast fords to buy nothing, no fun.

People buy these things to experience, to use why else? Why do you have an xb or a gt? Probably just to sit at the lights and look good, just a poser really.

My ute does 90-150 in 2.5 secs, no one can argue that it isn't safer to get around a truck in 2.5secs than sit out in oncomming traffic for 10-15 at the speed limit.

The market???

These laws arent new... a footpath is part of a road and you need to have a REGISTERED vehicle to drive on it. Some councils set aside areas for trail bikes and some dont. Lobby them to set aside land instead of mixing it up with regular traffic in an unregistered vehicle with no insurance.

And again.. its been said... that if you need to accellerate to warp speeds to avoid ONCOMING traffic (seriously think about this... your GOING FASTER and getting to your impact point quicker and having a higher impact speed) then you shouldnt be doing it.

And what does it save? 2seconds?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by woolleymammoth

WTH is wrong with people on here these days, you do realise that if it keeps going on like this, the market will dissapear. There will be no trail bikes to buy to ride, no gt's or fast fords to buy nothing, no fun.

People buy these things to experience, to use why else? Why do you have an xb or a gt? Probably just to sit at the lights and look good, just a poser really.

My ute does 90-150 in 2.5 secs, no one can argue that it isn't safer to get around a truck in 2.5secs than sit out in oncomming traffic for 10-15 at the speed limit.

To drive simple, but I have self control, if I want to race it or go fast I head to WSID or another track. It's not that hard, stop making excuses!!

I must ask what is wrong with you? Why do you feel you are so important that you can do this?

If you feel it's safe doing a 150km in a ute on a public road I hope it gets taken off you soon, so we can all live a little easier not having to worry about you coming down the wrong side of the road doing 150km/hr. Why the perpetual need to overtake at 150km per hour, how about if it's not safe to overtake at legal speeds don't, wow what a novel idea, don't kill yourself and others by not being a retard on the road, what a strange way to live

How about ride trail bikes legally rather than illegally, I know its un usual but it has been done before?? Just for something novel or different. What if everyone was running around overtaking at 150k per hour because they have vehicles they are obviously unable to control, and people riding unregistered bikes around the street on the foot path with no helmet, imagine every teenager riding around suburbia on a trail bike after school

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by woolleymammoth

My ute does 90-150 in 2.5 secs, no one can argue that it isn't safer to get around a truck in 2.5secs than sit out in oncomming traffic for 10-15 at the speed limit.

Under the law, none of us is permitted to exceed the speed limit to over take vehicles, even id it's safer to do so.,
there's a popular spot north of Brisbane where speed cameras love to sit and book people overtaking in a passing lane...

I'm sorry but some of the interpretations of the law made by police and politicians leave a lot to be desired,
seems they are mostly out to catch the careless, more so than the dangerous..

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by jpd80

seems they are mostly out to catch the careless, more so than the dangerous..

Mate the careless are the dangerous, thats how people die, then there are the ones with complete disregard like a lot posting here, and we can only hope that they get taken off the road before the innocent get hurt or killed by their disregard.

Not everyone is capable of holding a drivers license, and not every person should have a license, and I believe some people should never have one, the tests need to be harder to pass, if you do not meet the criteria you don't get a license.

I would be happy for this, and if I don't pass I would be happy to catch buses and trains, I believe a lot of people see a license as a right, I drive for a living often for 12 hour shifts (with rest brakes as required), I see a LOT as other probably do, there are a LOT of idiots out there with complete disregard , and a LOT LOT of just bad drivers who have no idea But thats another topic all together.....

[poppa smurf]

^^^^^ this in spades.....we travel all the time.....seen some shockers!

[Brute 33]

To XB GS 351 Coupe......you are actually a policeman aren't you?

[woolleymammoth]

Look I think most know what is right and wrong, if you speed in residential areas you derserve to get fined and loss of license.

But getting pinged twice in my driving history both in overtaking lanes on barron highways resulting in 2333 dollars in fines and loss of license for two years and if this new law comes in loss of vehicle, its just getting a bit rediculous.

If you look I just sold my registered ktm 300exc and had it not been for my dad taking me out on a pee wee similar to the story told before I would of never gotten in to trail riding.

I have done my fair share of trackdays and agree it is a safe way to go fast, all I want is a different tollerance on fines and loss of license depending on where you are and what time of day it is.

If you are a copper maybe you can shed some light on the actual road toll statistics and speeding, maybe the papers are right but I doubt it.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by flappist

They can only prevent you fron driving in NT not take your license completely. The issuing state is the only one that can do that.

Various states have various agreements that may make it automatic, require a show cause or just ignore it completely.

And if you don't care about the fine and don't intend to go back to the NT ever again? Can always switcheroo license between states to wipe points off. Helps if you have a business that spans several states and live in different places throughout the year. (Not condoning this, but just highlighting the flawed road safety system. There should really be a national driver's license and laws).

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

To drive simple, but I have self control, if I want to race it or go fast I head to WSID or another track. It's not that hard, stop making excuses!!

This is the type of big city driver attitude I was alluding to a couple of pages back. You live in Sydney, so you don't neccesarily grasp what some of us are on about, because you have never actually experienced it. Or if you have it hasn't been long term. Perhaps on a holliday or a long road trip you took a couple of years ago, but not on a regular basis while you are trying to get to work, etc.

Have you actually travelled anywhere outside of Sydney? It sounds sarcastic, but I'm not being smart. I know a lot of people from Sydney who rarely leave and if they do its by plane to another capital city. They havent driven the country and seen its vastness, nor have they experienced the joke that are out national highways. They havent experienced fatigue behind the wheel either as the longest they have been in a car is the journey to and from work.

Where you live, you never need to do 140 to get around a truck before you have a head on with oncoming traffic because every road you use has at least 2 or 3 lanes to choose from and a big divider to stop you having a head on with a truck coming the other way.

Whats more if you have the need for speed, you jump on the M4 for 25 minutes and go drag racing or do a track day.

Now compare my current address and the road situation:
I live 800klm from the nearest piece dual carriage way highway, which is about 90 minutes north of Brisbane. The main road between here and that piece of dual carriageway has a passing lane every 40-50klm, or half an hour if you like. Do you sit behind anyone for half an hour on the M4? This highway is the supply line for about 1.5 million people so its a busy road with plenty of prime movers, as well as retired Sydneysiders towing vans at about 20klm under the speed limit.

These passing lanes usually are not long enough for more than 3 or 4 cars to get around a slower vehicle. When everyone gets to those passing lanes, they all speed up, so the place to pass is elsewhere on the road wherever there are broken lines.

I don't get the luxury of pulling into the right lane and speeding up 4KPH to eventually get past some slow moving traffic like you would on the M4. I have to get out and round them up quickly before I am involved in a head on.

The track days that I do on my bike, consists of a 2000klm round trip down to Ipswich. The exercise costs me over $1K each time. Not quite the same as a 25 minute trip down the M4!

Australia doesn't stop at Newcastle to the north, Penrith to the west, the 'gong to the South and Bondi to the east. If you haven't done any driving outside of these areas, then how can you preach to those of us who do about how to drive these roads from the land of the great dual carriageway!

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by flappist

They can only prevent you fron driving in NT not take your license completely. The issuing state is the only one that can do that.

Various states have various agreements that may make it automatic, require a show cause or just ignore it completely.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

[chamb0]

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

I'n no pro, but judging from your comments I have hunch that I might have a little more experience, both in life and in regards to driving in different environments and conditions.

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

You live in Sydney, so you don't neccesarily grasp what some of us are on about, because you have never actually experienced it. Or if you have it hasn't been long term.

Take it easy, I take it your hackles would rise if someone who you've never met made insulting generalisations about you and your life? Old mate BHDOG a couple of pages back copped this smug arrogant attitude from you as well. You have no way of knowing what the other person's life experience has been or what they've done...

[XR6TCraig]

Not smug at all mate.

What are you? The fun Police?

The first quote you have highlighted was a retort to being somewhat sarcastically being called a pro. Why don't I have right of reply in your eyes? Why do you feel the need to single me out?

The second was a gee up and a generalization about a lot of people who live in capitals who I know personally, loosley aimed at a member. I may be wrong but I reckon he is looking at things from a differnt perspective to those who actually have to use country roads daily and have regularly seen 140+ on their speedo while passing on a highway in the middle of nowhere. It really takes very little in a modern car and isn't dangerous,m although every situation is different. The real danger lies in not getting around slower traffic quickly.

To conclude, having lived in the 3 largest capital cities in Aus, plus some of the most remote areas of the country, I have been on both sides of the fence plus sat on it, so I am all knowing!

[XR6Naranja]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

and if you're an outsider and not from the NT, would you even be concerned if you got caught? I would be more concerned about some form of wildlife rearranging the front of your car or piercing your intercooler (a bullbar would be helpful). I don't think they'll get a tow truck out in the middle of nowhere. And last time I checked, a speeding fine is not a criminal offence that can result in extradition order from your home state. Worst they can do is ban you from driving in their state. I might be wrong?

Nah mate, I wasn't questioning, when I lived there I never headed along these roads, and you may have missed the part where the guy I was asking and along with the pictures they are desert plains, you can see the wild life, where I live now is more likely to get hit by wild life rather then there.

I was simply asking because I could be visiting soon and have the change to give a new GTS (I know a Holden...) a good drive, it was off topic, just a couple questions =)

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I think you are confused about what law abiding actually means, you state you are law abiding, yet you state that you potentially want to overtake a truck doing 145km/hr (not sure if you have done this or not hence I said potentially), well if you do/did this then you would not be law abiding

On another note riding a unregistered, uninsured, and probably unroadworthy (no lights, indicators, brake lights horn etc etc), possibly unlicensed (unless you have a bike license) motorbike on a public footpath without a helmet with a child on board does not sound very law abiding to me I believe you were very very lucky that you got the softest Highway patrol copper in the whole police force to let you off with that, he must have had hot doughnuts in the car waiting to be taken back to the station for the boys He could have thrown the book at you as well as permanently confiscated the bike, I know that is what the local cops in my area are doing.

It is not the laws fault that you do not have a suitable property to ride a trail bike, I would also love to ride a trail bike but since I do not have a suitable property either I unfortunately can't, I can't just go and do it anyway in a public place, imagine if everyone did that, then what if someone (you or your son) gets hurt, who will pay for your lively hood then?? Next we would see you on a current affair sitting in a wheel chair crying for charity as you got hurt in a trail bike accident and now you can't support yourself and life is just so unfair, may be that Highway patrol copper saved your or your sons life, may be you should track him down and thank him for saving you or your son from your disregard for the law and your sons safety.

I am not sure where your fascination with overtaking comes from, if you need to go 45km over the limit to over take a truck, the truck is obviously going fast enough so there is no need to over take it.

You come up with some silly ideas in an attempt to justify irresponsible behaviour or simple lack of vehicle control, how would you like police to measure tired ness of a driver, unfortunately only things that can be measured can be controlled, ie alcohol consumption, drug consumption, speed etc or are you suggesting that we should not be allowed to drive at night just in case we are tired. You need to use common sense, not extremes, so if you are too tired to drive, don't, simple!

Again if the laws are too difficult to adhere to, or if your vehicle is too powerful for you to control there is always public transport or Smart Cars, if you choose to not abide then may be you will be forced into public transport.

45km over the limit is more than just a slip of the accellerator!

man thats a tall horse......

[svo supporter]

I'll admit I haven't read the whole thread from top to bottom, but really this is nothing new.

First offense in S.A doing 45 over....Good by car for 28 days and licence for 6 months.

2nd offense...good by car & licence for longer. (Not sure how long)

3rd strike Surposed to take car and crush it.

All this is thread is saying is, NSW are lessening the number of strikes before you loose your car.

Doesn't matter if the car is on finance or not. Kiss it good by.

Speed limits on highways.....How do you prove ones better than the next.....geez they even introduced a speed limit in N.T. This all boils down to driver training and how pathetic it is these days. Or in other words, the wowsers have their claws dug in good and proper.

What can you do about it. Bugger all. Learn to live with it....that's about it....

[charles_wif_xf]

Fudge me dead, doesn't anyone see the wood for the forest???

The whole impoundment issue is not about what speeds are appropriate and punishing so called hoons for breaking traction or speeding or whatever plod and his goons have decided is not acceptable. It is an out and out cash (and asset) grab by Govco. It is legalised theft, pure and simple.

Originally Posted by svo supporter

What can you do about it. Bugger all. Learn to live with it....that's about it....

And this is why they get away with it...

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

What can you do about it. Bugger all. Learn to live with it....that's about it....

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

Fudge me dead, doesn't anyone see the wood for the forest???

The whole impoundment issue is not about what speeds are appropriate and punishing so called hoons for breaking traction or speeding or whatever plod and his goons have decided is not acceptable. It is an out and out cash (and asset) grab by Govco. It is legalised theft, pure and simple.



.

Not defending the gov't and there stuffed up policies, but the roads we drive on are pathetic to start with. Throw in the mix, a few knuckle head drivers and voila, this is about all the pollies can come up with to try and stop it.

In one sense, it seems fair, as we have poor ol' workers having to clean up the mess after they wrap themselves round trees or what ever else, but on the flip side, knuckle heads will be exactly that and no matter what bulldust they put in place, they will still be out there.

So what can you do....Who knows. Suggestions would be nice, rather than saying it's legalised theft.

BTW, I haven't got the faintest idea how to prevent these morons, so I'll leave it to others to make suggestions.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

All good and well to put up these icons, but got any other ideas what to do?

If they look like they're morons, take them out the bush and shoot 'em....

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by flappist

They can only prevent you fron driving in NT not take your license completely. The issuing state is the only one that can do that.

Various states have various agreements that may make it automatic, require a show cause or just ignore it completely.

Sorry Flappist, but your wrong. Get banned driving in one state, it carry's over in ALL states. Not just the one you've been pinged in.

This came about because people held licences in various states and would get banned in one state, so they just used another legitmate licence when pulled up again in that state the licence was banned in. So the Gov't decided to nationalise the system to prevent this happening. (Truckies were the most common ones flouting this loophole)

Next time you're at your local rego office, ask for a copy of a licence application. It clearly states "have you ever been disqualified from obtaining a drivers licence in any state", or words to those effect. Should you answer "no" and you have been banned, you'll book a date with the magistrate. (Not those exact words, but you'll get the drift. It's in fine print underneath the question too)

[GTPete]

Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

Fudge me dead, doesn't anyone see the wood for the forest???

The whole impoundment issue is not about what speeds are appropriate and punishing so called hoons for breaking traction or speeding or whatever plod and his goons have decided is not acceptable. It is an out and out cash (and asset) grab by Govco. It is legalised theft, pure and simple.



And this is why they get away with it...

Spot on, Govco is overstepping the mark here in a big way. The problem is as they get away with this one, the next overstep they wish to impose on some other part of your life becomes that little bit easier to get away with.
Theres an erosion of your personel rights happening right in front of you, all in an attempt to protect us against ourselves. Wether we like it or not.
There should be substantial fines for 45k's over and loss of licence and possible detention for repeat offenders but confiscating an individuals personel posessions is overstepping the mark.
Guns like cars dont kill, drivers and shooters do, thats where the govt's punishment should start and stop right at the source.

[Rockape]

Yes GTPete you are spot on but they cant see it.

[Rockape]

Whats next? They take your house because you got a parking ticket

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Rockape

Whats next? They take your house because you got a parking ticket

You realise the gov can resume/ take your house anyways already and have been able to do it for a very long time.... nothing new there at all.