V6 or I6 Engine

whales · 12-11-2008, 07:07 PM

I was talking to some Engineer friends last night and they claim because of the current world finanicial crisis Ford are NOT going ahead with the V6 engine in the Falcon, but are going to keep the current I6 engine.
They swear this is fact because and they are in the know with Ford AU.

Has anyone heard about this or is it just crap?

RG · 12-11-2008, 07:12 PM

God I hope this is true.

Unfortunately it is actually cheaper for Ford to use the V6 than try to engineer the I6 for lower emissions.

DoreSlamR · 12-11-2008, 07:20 PM

Well at least it isn't a Ford salesman saying it this time

**DJM83** · 12-11-2008, 07:22 PM

Hope its true but im a sceptic so ill wait and see

**Fordman1** · 12-11-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell

God I hope this is true.

Unfortunately it is actually cheaper for Ford to use the V6 than try to engineer the I6 for lower emissions.

I wonder what the Aus Dollar at 65c US means

JutroXR8 · 12-11-2008, 07:23 PM

dunno mate... economies of scale just aint with our I6. Plus the yanks probably want to keep more jobs in their own country....

Daymoe · 12-11-2008, 07:24 PM

We can only hope that this is true.

Nostalgia · 12-11-2008, 07:26 PM

I6 for ever

: Let's hope this is true.

Adam.

Jason[98.EL] · 12-11-2008, 07:34 PM

lol if that happens we will be happy campers

cant see it happening though

geckoGT · 12-11-2008, 07:42 PM

I really think the news is all bad for the I6.More stringent emission laws are on their way and Ford, especially in the current economic climate, are unlikely to want to fork out the money to ensure comlpliancy on two 6's. That and the fact that they are pushing for global platforms and engines, all to keep costs down.

It would be brilliant though, 2 of the best 6's in the world are I6, ie Ford AU and BMW, wish we could keep it.

05MkIIFutura · 12-11-2008, 07:50 PM

They would be too far down the track of conversion to stop now. The new engine would be ready to mount in tomorrow. Development on the I6 would have stopped years ago, right after they did the software update on the FG.

Twin turbo V6 has already been spotted in VIC under testing 6-9 months ago.

Gobes32 · 12-11-2008, 07:55 PM

Unfortunately I do not think this is true. I would be happy if there is even a Falcon to put the V6 into in 2010.

vztrt · 12-11-2008, 07:56 PM

If they did decide this they would have 14 months to get the engine euro 4 compliant and then that to do testing for reliability.

Seriously doubt it but, I hope I'm wrong. <--- this is how much I want the I6 to continue .

Jason[98.EL] · 12-11-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

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Twin turbo V6 has already been spotted in VIC under testing 6-9 months ago.

where has it been spotted

would like to know more

**data_mine** · 12-11-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

It would be brilliant though, 2 of the best 6's in the world are I6, ie Ford AU and BMW, wish we could keep it.

No matter your thoughts on ricers, the RB and 2J I6's are pretty darn good too.

The I6 is a superior design. The V6 is a result of a series of compromises, mainly packaging requirements (it's physically smaller thus easier to stick into smaller cars, easier to put behind the front axle). It's downsides include horrible harmonics, that require extra rotating mass (balance shaft) to even out.

I don't see how the Ford V6 will be a step forward, in the Mazda CX9 it's a thirsty slow waste of time.

4Vman · 12-11-2008, 08:00 PM

Euro 4 killed the I6!!!

Gobes32 · 12-11-2008, 08:08 PM

The main reason we were told for the I6's demise was that it's cheaper to make a million V6's in America than 100,000 I6's in Geelong. Euro 4 is icing on the cake.

flappist · 12-11-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Euro 4 killed the I6!!!

Yeh maybe. But we are in a bit of an economic mess and if delaying euro 4 for 5 years or so helps us out of it a bit then I suspect Kev might actually go for it.

Greenyism often has to give way to reality and the greeny loonies do not control us at the moment and even if they did the first place to make savings would be to cut ALL of their funding (purely for the world recession, nothing personal) if they did not behave.

Falc'man · 12-11-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by whales

I was talking to some Engineer friends last night and they claim because of the current world finanicial crisis Ford are NOT going ahead with the V6 engine in the Falcon, but are going to keep the current I6 engine.
They swear this is fact because and they are in the know with Ford AU.

Has anyone heard about this or is it just crap?

I've heard the same thing.

Also from what I believe is a reliable source.

Wait and see I suppose.

Gobes32 · 12-11-2008, 08:19 PM

Can anyone find the info on how much per cent of the world's pollution Australia puts out? I remember being some minuscule number like 2% or something.

geckoGT · 12-11-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by data_mine

No matter your thoughts on ricers, the RB and 2J I6's are pretty darn good too.

The I6 is a superior design. The V6 is a result of a series of compromises, mainly packaging requirements (it's physically smaller thus easier to stick into smaller cars, easier to put behind the front axle). It's downsides include horrible harmonics, that require extra rotating mass (balance shaft) to even out.

I don't see how the Ford V6 will be a step forward, in the Mazda CX9 it's a thirsty slow waste of time.

I agree with you completely, they are good engines and I have nothing against japanese imports (I don't like the term ricers).

The reason I said the two that I did is they are one of very few that are still building I6. Soon to be just BMW and they have said that fomat is here to stay because the V6 layout is mechanically inferior.

99-MONT · 12-11-2008, 08:20 PM

i hope what im hearing is true, Euro 4 put off for a couple of years, I6 continues to live on!!

Paxton · 12-11-2008, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whales

I was talking to some Engineer friends last night and they claim because of the current world finanicial crisis Ford are NOT going ahead with the V6 engine in the Falcon, but are going to keep the current I6 engine.
They swear this is fact because and they are in the know with Ford AU.

Has anyone heard about this or is it just crap?

My Source inside Ford could not have been more ambiguous, however this is what he was alluding to. From what I know, it is still in the top rungs of management, however for the I6 to remain viable, Ford need to get it into other cars, like the F150.

It may turn out to be cheaper to assemble the V6 here in Australia rather than the I6, as with the current sales levels, it doesn't make sense to keep the I6. The V6 can be built here as is, however the I6 needs modifications to get it through Euro IV, which costs something Ford doesn't have - Money. Ford Australia could even cast the motor here.

I'm sure Bossxr8 can add to this discussion.

Grimus - don't get your hopes up. There are going to be some very disappointed fans come 123.

**DJM83** · 12-11-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

Twin turbo V6 has already been spotted in VIC under testing 6-9 months ago.

Where are the pics or info

**data_mine** · 12-11-2008, 08:33 PM

Alloy block I6 would fix the Euro4 problem, and have added benefits. But that's a big investment in all sorts - manufacturing, testing, reliability trials etc.

Lynch'd · 12-11-2008, 08:34 PM

I know nothing specific about the merits or costings of the I6 vs V6 for Ford but there are some very major companies in my industry overturning multi million dollar decisions to move back into Aus with the way the dollar is going. Shell the best example.

Falc'man · 12-11-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Can anyone find the info on how much per cent of the world's pollution Australia puts out? I remember being some minuscule number like 2% or something.

Holden manufacture about 70,000 vehilces a year. The total number of cars manufactured globally is around 7 million. So that means we contribute to 1% of the planet's pollution.

Auslandau · 12-11-2008, 08:38 PM

The I6 has been on and off again over the past 12 months ..... at the moment the I6 is off.

It is agreed that I6 is 'better' than the V6 by hieracrchy but cannot be produced in the states, will not be exported, doesnt comply with emissions etc.

No V6 twin turbo being run in any test mule and is not an option at this stage. It just hasnt worked for production/emission reasons ..... something else is considered which could upset a few .... Volvo anyone?

Production of V6 compared to I6 is only double that in the US compared to here.

It is a month by month scenario at the moment and no decisions have been set in concrete on anything due to what is going on in the states and world wide.

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Paxton · 12-11-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

The I6 has been on and off again over the past 12 months ..... at the moment the I6 is off.

It is agreed that I6 is 'better' than the V6 by hieracrchy but cannot be produced in the states, will not be exported, doesnt comply with emissions etc.

No V6 twin turbo being run in any test mule and is not an option at this stage. It just hasnt worked for production/emission reasons ..... something else is considered which could upset a few .... Volvo anyone?

Production of V6 compared to I6 is only double that in the US compared to here.

It is a month by month scenario at the moment and no decisions have been set in concrete on anything due to what is going on in the states and world wide.

Sssh.

Interesting that the Yanks like the I6 over the V6. As for Volvo - I'd liken it to Mazda.

Nostalgia · 12-11-2008, 08:44 PM

of afore mentioned "TTV6".