New HiLux variants to compete with Wildtrack; would you consider?

FalconXV · 30-03-2017, 11:34 AM

http://performancedrive.com.au/exclu...s-coming-2921/

I know we're all Ford people here but looks like Toyota is wants to bring out some high-end models to keep the Hilux fresh. Maybe Ford should fast-track the Ranger Raptor sooner than first thought eh?

Bossxr8 · 30-03-2017, 03:01 PM

Looks more like an FX4 rival. And no, wouldn't touch a Hilux. One of the worst riding vehicles I have ever been in. And they are so slow, even compared to it's rivals.

RANGEREST · 30-03-2017, 04:23 PM

Wouldn't buy one, but I'm sure others will, especially the "rugged" pack.
As for the TuRD pack, it was a failure last time, and probably will be this time.

Ben73 · 30-03-2017, 04:38 PM

$5,000 Sticker pack, yeah, nah.
Just like the FX4. what a joke.

dunga · 30-03-2017, 05:23 PM

I wonder if they are going to be fitted with anti roll over assist.

FalconXV · 30-03-2017, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dunga

I wonder if they are going to be fitted with anti roll over assist.

Yeah have they even done anything to mitigate this PR disaster? The reputation and loyalty of the HiLux is so solid nobody g.a.f.

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Looks more like an FX4 rival. And no, wouldn't touch a Hilux. One of the worst riding vehicles I have ever been in. And they are so slow, even compared to it's rivals.

Yeah tbh I agree having driven one. Interior pretty average, steering feels lumpy and heavy but I like how a petrol six is still available. Considering you can still get one in a basic midsize sedan, I'm surprised not one other competitor offers this. If they still sold a Workmate V6 manual I would be all over it like a rash. Too bad nobody shares my car tastes anymore (sob)

In any case I do like the Ranger but Amarok is what I'd go for if I were in the market.

.:4:. · 30-03-2017, 06:35 PM

I could never understand why the TRD hilux only came in 4wd. A 2wd with decent suspension would have been 4 door competition to the xr6t/ss ute market with 4 doors. I get it that it was the only performance dual cab at the time, but now the market for a decent 2wd performance ute has just about dried up, however there is still demand for a ute that has a low enough centre of gravity to corner well.

**Rallye Sport** · 30-03-2017, 06:52 PM

Hilux - Ranger same thing. Uninspiring both of them.

**Fordman1** · 30-03-2017, 06:53 PM

I'm tipping Ford may have something "Special" coming up with Ranger in the next couple of years (going by reports in the media).

XB GS 351 Coupe · 30-03-2017, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

I'm tipping Ford may have something "Special" coming up with Ranger in the next couple of years (going by reports in the media).

Any hints?? Might give me cause to wait a little while before forking out on a brand new Ranger for the missus...

FalconXV · 30-03-2017, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Any hints?? Might give me cause to wait a little while before forking out on a brand new Ranger for the missus...

here's some hints, bra http://performancedrive.com.au/top-1...017-2018-2923/

Ben73 · 30-03-2017, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

I'm tipping Ford may have something "Special" coming up with Ranger in the next couple of years (going by reports in the media).

I'm sure they will advertise something special. Probably V6 diesel at the very best. But even that's a long shot

tranquilized · 30-03-2017, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

I'm tipping Ford may have something "Special" coming up with Ranger in the next couple of years (going by reports in the media).

Yep, like rear disc brakes for example. Special.

.:4:. · 31-03-2017, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

Yep, like rear disc brakes for example. Special.

Buy a vw amarok. Pretty sure they have disks on the rear. Also attract the jeep wrangler partners...

wicksy · 31-03-2017, 11:09 AM

We got the new Hiluxs at work and they are a bucket of crap, always got faults with them, the most uncomortable ride ever aswell

Vesper Martini · 31-03-2017, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Any hints?? Might give me cause to wait a little while before forking out on a brand new Ranger for the missus...

Thought you would have out till the Merc arrived, at least to take a look

chevypower · 31-03-2017, 02:53 PM

Some reports suggest the Ranger will be ditching the 3.2 diesel for the 3.0 V6 Lion engine, with the 10-speed. Now that would really be a Hilux killer (even though it already is).

Ben73 · 31-03-2017, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Some reports suggest the Ranger will be ditching the 3.2 diesel for the 3.0 V6 Lion engine, with the 10-speed. Now that would really be a Hilux killer (even though it already is).

V6 would be not bad. But far from anything special. V6 should be standard on higher spec Utes. 4 cylinders should be reserved for the base model work Utes.

chevypower · 31-03-2017, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

V6 would be not bad. But far from anything special. V6 should be standard on higher spec Utes. 4 cylinders should be reserved for the base model work Utes.

I would think the 3.0 V6 10-speed would do 0-100 in around 7-8 seconds. What does the current 5 cyl do in in? 10?

**Fordman1** · 31-03-2017, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

I'm sure they will advertise something special. Probably V6 diesel at the very best. But even that's a long shot

No I think you and the "disk brake man" may be wrong !

I'm tipping a cool Ford brand may make its way Rangers way. That's what the media is saying anyway.

sprintman1 · 31-03-2017, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

Yeah have they even done anything to mitigate this PR disaster? The reputation and loyalty of the HiLux is so solid nobody g.a.f.

Yeah tbh I agree having driven one. Interior pretty average, steering feels lumpy and heavy but I like how a petrol six is still available. Considering you can still get one in a basic midsize sedan, I'm surprised not one other competitor offers this. If they still sold a Workmate V6 manual I would be all over it like a rash. Too bad nobody shares my car tastes anymore (sob)

In any case I do like the Ranger but Amarok is what I'd go for if I were in the market.

Having worked for stealership that sold VW you'd want to stay well away from Amarok

Ben73 · 01-04-2017, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

No I think you and the "disk brake man" may be wrong !

I'm tipping a cool Ford brand may make its way Rangers way. That's what the media is saying anyway.

Hopefully. I just don't have my hopes up because all the current utes are boring and with new cars in general getting more boring all the time, I just assume the Utes will continue the trend

mcflux · 01-04-2017, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

Yeah have they even done anything to mitigate this PR disaster? The reputation and loyalty of the HiLux is so solid nobody g.a.f.

According to the guys who actually performed this "moose test", Toyota are taking it seriously. I'm at ease driving my Hilux.

http://teknikensvarld.se/toyota-corr...e-test-403423/

Regarding OP, I agree with Ben73 with it probably being a sticker pack.

On another note, that Tonka concept is both goddamn UGLY and OTT-awesome at the same time. Kind of like the Homermobile.

Davehoos · 01-04-2017, 10:06 AM

I don't think people understand the ute operators. Current crap available looks to suit one off mum dad owners. I have plenty of neighbours with TRD lux that got them cheap when the boom died.

I look after around 20 of a fleet of 100 ish that will last 5 years + or 120 000Km +.

The small engine base model idea is B/S as they cant operate loaded. its like fitting an auto and wondering why it over heats. Often have to send 2 utes to do a job and cant tow a trailer.

Fitting stickers and rear disc is like fitting carpet and Bluetooth-totally useless and maintanence issue. like to see better seats with trim that will last a work day.

told recently that hilux was gone as they unable to meet min demands. Last week we received a 4X4 look 4X2 crew cab for a foreman that wont used much.as a loaded work vehicle.

**FTE217** · 01-04-2017, 11:49 AM

Being a current previous model Hilux 4x4 owner I have no real favourite when upgrade comes up soon.
Ranger or Hilux will do.
Its a daily and either will handle the light loads I put in the back - it does everything I need for family hols up the coast incl beach and light track driving.
Its reliable as and would expect Ranger being the same.
IDGAF that this does better than that from comments made by some.
None of this BS is an issue driving around suburbia.
Both vehicles are a good choice for what they are as they are.
My money will go to the best deal at the time.

mcflux · 01-04-2017, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Davehoos

I don't think people understand the ute operators. Current crap available looks to suit one off mum dad owners. I have plenty of neighbours with TRD lux that got them cheap when the boom died.

I look after around 20 of a fleet of 100 ish that will last 5 years + or 120 000Km +.

The small engine base model idea is B/S as they cant operate loaded. its like fitting an auto and wondering why it over heats. Often have to send 2 utes to do a job and cant tow a trailer.

Fitting stickers and rear disc is like fitting carpet and Bluetooth-totally useless and maintanence issue. like to see better seats with trim that will last a work day.

told recently that hilux was gone as they unable to meet min demands. Last week we received a 4X4 look 4X2 crew cab for a foreman that wont used much.as a loaded work vehicle.

If the current crop of dual cabs on the market fail to meet the expectations of your operations, you must be doing some seriously heavy-duty stuff.

The only way the 4x2 Hi-Rider will fail on your foreman's worksite will be if it's in boggy conditions; they have a pegga diff. The Hiluxes (and pretty much all other dual cabs on the market) can take 1-ton-plus payloads and have a mountain of torque. The 3T-plus towing figures - whilst true - are unrealistic for "real world" driving but they can still tow a serious load with no dramas.

**Rallye Sport** · 01-04-2017, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mcflux

If the current crop of dual cabs on the market fail to meet the expectations of your operations, you must be doing some seriously heavy-duty stuff.

The only way the 4x2 Hi-Rider will fail on your foreman's worksite will be if it's in boggy conditions; they have a pegga diff. The Hiluxes (and pretty much all other dual cabs on the market) can take 1-ton-plus payloads and have a mountain of torque. The 3T-plus towing figures - whilst true - are unrealistic for "real world" driving but they can still tow a serious load with no dramas.

No doubt the Rangers and the like can pull weight but they're over governed. Example being, towing a one thousand litre water cart on dirt (we work on construction sites) Tried to pull the cart up a small slope and the traction kicks in and kills it. Tried turning it off but it still does it. Left me with two choices... (a)back out and get a run up or (b) go back and get the right tool for the job, a truck or tractor, besides they both have better finish, ride and are more reliable... Ours sits in the yard rusting when its not in limp mode. No point giving them power upgrades, sticker kits and i phone connections for the latte and lycra crowd they should focus on making them more 'workable'

FalconXV · 01-04-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

No doubt the Rangers and the like can pull weight but they're over governed. Example being, towing a one thousand litre water cart on dirt (we work on construction sites) Tried to pull the cart up a small slope and the traction kicks in and kills it. Tried turning it off but it still does it. Left me with two choices... (a)back out and get a run up or (b) go back and get the right tool for the job, a truck or tractor, besides they both have better finish, ride and are more reliable... Ours sits in the yard rusting when its not in limp mode. No point giving them power upgrades, sticker kits and i phone connections for the latte and lycra crowd they should focus on making them more 'workable'

Isn't there a button to turn it off?

**Rallye Sport** · 01-04-2017, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

Isn't there a button to turn it off?

Yeah tried that, manual says theres a couple of options, hold for five seconds or ten seconds. Neither seemed work, still did it, got the tractor instead.

Davehoos · 02-04-2017, 01:01 PM

We are in process of replacing 3 L hilux. half are load carriers.these have 2250 KG towing with brakes. Our over foremen could use small car ect,they once had and liked diahatsu handi van.

towing a dual axle trailer rated at 2 ton diff center last 60-80K.
tray load is 3/4 ton most of our vehicles will exceed this weekly.

The ex workshops ranger 3.2 4X4 was 2015 and would refuse to drive on cow tracks. dirt road was OK. My dad has a triton HI look 4X2 LSD and it has required being towed on wet grass due to derating engine .I not experienced this with the Dmax yet.