Diesel Falcon - is it dead still?

Rapid_Attack · 19-01-2010, 09:47 PM

Hey,

I see the Territory is getting an oil burner in 2011, three questions come to mind:

1. Is the PSA 2.7lt TDi going to be good enough for a big car like a Territory?
2. Considering the 4cyl will be a dud, is the Diesel engine a simple implant into a falcon considering the similar drive line?
3. Do diesel engines get caught up in Euro IV compliance?

I have a diesel at the moment and love it, a diesel falcon would be great news.

If the Mustang and Falcon cross breed, maybe Ford Aus could take the lead and deliver the US something practical.

WOTDAH · 19-01-2010, 09:52 PM

No plans for diesel falcon. I think you will be suprised about the 4cyl though.

Lightning Strike XR6 · 19-01-2010, 09:53 PM

Another know it all.

Don't write the 4 banger off. It should be very good from all reports

US kills Falcon · 19-01-2010, 09:56 PM

Diesel Falcon is dead.

Rapid_Attack · 19-01-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightning Strike XR6

Another know it all.

Don't write the 4 banger off. It should be very good from all reports

Hope I am wrong.

See if the sales back your optimism.

Bossxr8 · 19-01-2010, 10:48 PM

What do you mean dead still, it was never alive. Diesel was always going for Territory, not Falcon.

FERG_51 · 19-01-2010, 11:01 PM

I work at a Landrover dealership and let me tell you that 2.7 hauls a Discovery 111 with ease, so a Territory will fly.

rtvbloke · 20-01-2010, 08:52 AM

In response to original post Q3. Do diesels get caught up in Euro IV compliance? Answer: YES.

I am a RN in a hospital Emergency Dept. About 2 years ago, the ambulance guys were telling me they were changing their diesel vehicles as the manufacturer was dropping out as they could not get their diesels through Euro IV. I just cant remember off hand from which and to which manufacturer they went.

**Luke Plaizier** · 20-01-2010, 10:54 AM

I too think that it's a mistake not to consider Diesel for the Falcon. If a Land Rover moves OK, and the Territory would fly, than a Falcon would warp.

There's been a significant number of new cars pop up in our carpark with diesels in the last 12 months - Peugot x 1, Mondeo x 1, Hyundai x 2. In a carpark of 20 cars, that's a significant shift towards diesels.

Territory sales have died because of a lack of Diesel in the range - and the Diesel is the main reason why the Captiva beat it last year despite the excessive recalls. Given the desire to make the Territory and Falcon share even more components, it seems silly to me that the Falcon couldn't have a Diesel, and/or the Territory couldn't have LiLPG.

Lukeyson

XR Martin · 20-01-2010, 11:14 AM

Theres a reason why diesels passeneger vehicles havnt really made an impact on the US market, its that they just cant meet their emission standards.
Even the latest diesels you can still smell the sooty sulpher odour as they drive past.

outback_ute · 20-01-2010, 11:21 AM

I think the only possibility is if the Territory diesel does well, and the number of diesel passenger cars sold increases a lot, eg Skoda Superb. In any case it would be too far through the current car's cycle I think by the time a diesel came out.

sgt_doofey · 20-01-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Theres a reason why diesels passeneger vehicles havnt really made an impact on the US market, its that they just cant meet their emission standards.
Even the latest diesels you can still smell the sooty sulpher odour as they drive past.

I suggest you try one with a particulate filter on them. Our Peugeot 307 has one and you can hardly smell a thing standing behind it whilst running. I even wiped my finger inside the tail pipe after we had the car for 17,000kms and it came out clean! It's done 73,000kms now, so there is some deposits in the tail pipe.
Diesels with particulate filters emit less CO2 and less emissions than petrol cars with the same displacement. Why are diesels so popular in Europe where these emission standards come from?

TP351 · 20-01-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

What do you mean dead still, it was never alive. Diesel was always going for Territory, not Falcon.

Really?? Based on what fact?

Franco Cozzo · 20-01-2010, 01:20 PM

I think it would be a great idea if the diesel engine was in the Falcon, look at all the options you would have:

EB I4
I6
I6T
Li I6
Diesel V6
V8

There would be something for just about everyone.

eb2fairmont · 20-01-2010, 02:04 PM

I'd buy a diesel Falcon. It wont' happen because it'd be too close to the ecoboost in economy and performance.

And the diesel (being 6 cylinders) will not get around the 4 cyl only policy some fleets have,.