Ford US making better cars than Ford AUS

Eaturbo · 14-12-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

I think some people need to understand economies of scale. The population of Australia is around 22-24million. I believe there are two or possibly more cities in America with a population of around that. City. Just a city. Not even the whole state. So really, when you think about it, we have it pretty damn good here. The fact our little country has even the range of cars that we get, is pretty amazing.

So what your saying is that we have to accept substandard feature cars because we have a small population when the technology is readily available within the Ford Company. When you look at the FG/SZ range, they have not really introduced anymore technology than what the SX/BA had 7 years ago and in fact we went backwards when the dropped the sunroof option from the range. I am just saying that they could have put some new technology into the FG2 or SZ to get people uptrading to new models. Even stuff like LED tailights and HID headlights would add no weight and been seen as moving the bar up plus maybe a decent sound system in high spec cars. Ford have sat on the hands and really offered nothing

SteveJH · 14-12-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

So what your saying is that we have to accept substandard feature cars because we have a small population when the technology is readily available within the Ford Company. When you look at the FG/SZ range, they have not really introduced anymore technology than what the SX/BA had 7 years ago and in fact we went backwards when the dropped the sunroof option from the range. I am just saying that they could have put some new technology into the FG2 or SZ to get people uptrading to new models. Even stuff like LED tailights and HID headlights would add no weight and been seen as moving the bar up plus maybe a decent sound system in high spec cars. Ford have sat on the hands and really offered nothing

And who is paying for this? Ford are not going to spend more on Falcon unless they can get their investment back.

Its good business sense, nothing more, nothing less.

Eaturbo · 14-12-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

And who is paying for this? Ford are not going to spend more on Falcon unless they can get their investment back.

Its good business sense, nothing more, nothing less.

Customers who will actually buy a Falcon which is seen to be lifting the Bar with a few small extra features. The base models can miss out on some stuff but if I'm paying $60,000 for a G6E Turbo i would like to see things like LED tail lights and HID head lights. I have held off buying a new Falcon in the FG model as i did not need a new car but also i could not see much advancement from my BA2 XR6 Turbo which had a luxury pack and sunroof. The FG2 has also failed to move the bar to a point where i can see a reason to upgrade. My Mate has a 2006 Calais V V8 and it has front and rear park assist which comes up on the colour screen on dash, heated external mirrors and a rear dvd player all STD. An FG2 G6E has none of this and its near 6 years newer. I'm am only pointing out that return on investment comes from offering customers cars they want or more so want to sell there current car and buy a new one. The point is that Ford have failed to do this and are seeing this in the take up rate of new cars especially from retail customers. Customers wanting to update there cars are looking else where to find the features they want and expect in todays market. I dont want Ford to reinvent themselves just add a bit more content to the cars. In the territory section, one guy brought a new Jeep Grand Cherokee as it was streets ahead of the Territory in features as well as 175kw diesel. This guy has had a Territory as his last car but the new one was not any better than his old one, Go figure

Road_Warrior · 14-12-2011, 06:28 PM

[QUOTE=EaturboAn FG2 G6E has none of this and its near 6 years newer. [/QUOTE]

Umm the FGII G6E comes standard with 8 inch colour touchscreen ICC and rear park assist

Eaturbo · 14-12-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Umm the FGII G6E comes standard with 8 inch colour touchscreen ICC and rear park assist

As i said the Calais has FRONT AND REAR PARK ASSIST not just rear. Surely Ford can offer front park assist these days when holden had it nearly 6 years ago. And it still doesnt have a STD DVD player or heated wing mirrors which is great in colder climates. I am a Ford man but i am through with making excuses for them.

jpd80 · 14-12-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Customers who will actually buy a Falcon which is seen to be lifting the Bar with a few small extra features. The base models can miss out on some stuff but if I'm paying $60,000 for a G6E Turbo i would like to see things like LED tail lights and HID head lights. I have held off buying a new Falcon in the FG model as i did not need a new car but also i could not see much advancement from my BA2 XR6 Turbo which had a luxury pack and sunroof. The FG2 has also failed to move the bar to a point where i can see a reason to upgrade. My Mate has a 2006 Calais V V8 and it has front and rear park assist which comes up on the colour screen on dash, heated external mirrors and a rear dvd player all STD. An FG2 G6E has none of this and its near 6 years newer. I'm am only pointing out that return on investment comes from offering customers cars they want or more so want to sell there current car and buy a new one. The point is that Ford have failed to do this and are seeing this in the take up rate of new cars especially from retail customers. Customers wanting to update there cars are looking else where to find the features they want and expect in todays market. I dont want Ford to reinvent themselves just add a bit more content to the cars. In the territory section, one guy brought a new Jeep Grand Cherokee as it was streets ahead of the Territory in features as well as 175kw diesel. This guy has had a Territory as his last car but the new one was not any better than his old one, Go figure

Amazing how quickly, "I would like to see.." suddenly becomes, "I expect.."

I can remember when (BFII) Ford tried to tell us that ZF would remain an option for the immediate future...

Eaturbo · 14-12-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Amazing how quickly, "I would like to see.." suddenly becomes, "I expect.."

I can remember when (BFII) Ford tried to tell us that ZF would remain an option for the immediate future...

Lets not get too carried away with analising my wording. I am just saying that there is room for improvement. Maybe i am alone in saying what i have above but i would buy a new Falcon if they gave it abit more of an update. Can you tell me why Falcon has dropped in sales so much compared to the Commodore. Where have all the Falcon drivers gone and what are they driving now. I am trying to be honest about things not burying my head in the sand.

jpd80 · 14-12-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Can you tell me why Falcon has dropped in sales so much compared to the Commodore.

Yes, Holden sells
- a bucket load of Omega Commodores into fleet sales than Ford does with XT.
- about the same amount of SV6s as Ford sells XR6s
- a bucket load more V8 and high series Commodores than Ford sells XR6T and G6E/G6ET

Holden is notorious for over producing and then offering huge discounts,
their factory is geared to build 6,000 Commodores a month but only sold
3,000 odd in November, so stock is building up quickly..

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Lets not get too carried away with analising my wording.

Sorry sir, you misunderstood what I meant, check what I said after that
in my quote about Ford telling us at BF II that ZF would remain an option
In that context, "I would like.." in BFII becomes "I expect" in FG update...

vztrt · 14-12-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

When you look at the FG/SZ range, they have not really introduced anymore technology than what the SX/BA had 7 years ago and in fact we went backwards when the dropped the sunroof option from the range.

Can you show me the BA with a touch screen, ipod integration, blue tooth, ZF 6 speed auto, MP3 capability & usb capability please?

Eaturbo · 14-12-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Can you show me the BA with a touch screen, ipod integration, blue tooth, ZF 6 speed auto, MP3 capability & usb capability please?

Maybe not the BA but the BF had ZF and Ipod intergration.

vztrt · 14-12-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Maybe not the BA but the BF had ZF and Ipod intergration.

BF got optional bluetooth. Never had ipod integration.

Eaturbo · 14-12-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

BF got optional bluetooth. Never had ipod integration.

Territory and BF Falcon had Ipod intergration, do a google search or even ebay has them listed as a genuine ford spare part and yes your right they had optional blue tooth so one less thing the FG had that was new

vztrt · 14-12-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Territory and BF Falcon had Ipod intergration, do a google search or even ebay has them listed as a genuine ford spare part and yes your right they had optional blue tooth so one less thing the FG had that was new

Looking at the BFII options list is showing the aux input (were they use ipod/mp3). Can't see anything about proper ipod integration.

Eaturbo · 14-12-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Looking at the BFII options list is showing the aux input (were they use ipod/mp3). Can't see anything about proper ipod integration.

Your right it didn't have proper intergration just AUX input. But this still doesn't change my opinion that Ford has done better elsewhere in the world and why not here in AUS.

Bossxr8 · 14-12-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Can you show me the BA with a touch screen, ipod integration, blue tooth, ZF 6 speed auto, MP3 capability & usb capability please?

Not to mention DSC, curtain airbags, HMI screen in the cluster, 5 star crash safety etc.

Equipment levels have improved, but the next generation will possibly share global electronic systems like the new Ranger shares with Focus and Mondeo. This will open up a new range of possible options and features.