running a red light

Christiaan · 05-08-2007, 04:15 AM

Hey guys

i was driving up punt road last night and i ran a red light (due to the wet roads + not paying attention for a split second)

The camera flashed what looked like was twice.. i know i wasn't speeding as i was half way through an emergency stop on the ABS..

How much do they sting you these days for running a red light, and how many demerit points?

Cheers

Ralliart · 05-08-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shuresm58

Hey guys

i was driving up punt road last night and i ran a red light (due to the wet roads + not paying attention for a split second)

The camera flashed what looked like was twice.. i know i wasn't speeding as i was half way through an emergency stop on the ABS..

How much do they sting you these days for running a red light, and how many demerit points?

Cheers

3 point and 250 - $300 fine ( don't quote on that), i get a red ligth fine 2 years ago it s about that price.

alstar5 · 05-08-2007, 09:58 AM

The camera always flashes twice for red light offences. The second photo is to tell whether you actually proceeded through the intersection instead of just rolling over the trigger line.

Jesk · 05-08-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralliart

3 point and 250 - $300 fine ( don't quote on that), i get a red ligth fine 2 years ago it s about that price.

yeah sounds like what they tried to do me with when i was negotiating a intersection with a couple of cop cars and a couple of wrecks even though the photo showed the cop cars in it too

Casper · 05-08-2007, 11:45 AM

Was it the lights at the top of the hill (almost) before you go down and over the river?

That one also has a speed camera on it too.. catches HEAPs of people... including me. :(

Christiaan · 05-08-2007, 01:41 PM

yeah it was the one at the top of the hill :(

I'm sure i wasn't speeding cos when the light flashed, i was almost stopped from the emergency braking.

I just changed my pads + rotors 3 weeks ago (they're bedded in) and i must say an emergency stop in a straight line using ABS in the wet is almost as if you don't stop at all. I understand that the pedal pulses to stop locking up so you can steer, but what if you're in a straight line and need to stop quickly like me??

3 points and $250 fine seems a bit ridiculous!!!!!!!! I hope this isn't the case :(

Casper · 05-08-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shuresm58

yeah it was the one at the top of the hill :(

I'm sure i wasn't speeding cos when the light flashed, i was almost stopped from the emergency braking.

I just changed my pads + rotors 3 weeks ago (they're bedded in) and i must say an emergency stop in a straight line using ABS in the wet is almost as if you don't stop at all. I understand that the pedal pulses to stop locking up so you can steer, but what if you're in a straight line and need to stop quickly like me??

3 points and $250 fine seems a bit ridiculous!!!!!!!! I hope this isn't the case :(

Its 3 points for sure.. may be more than $250 these days though.

Christiaan · 05-08-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Its 3 points for sure.. may be more than $250 these days though.

Well. That's just ruined my week

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DOC · 05-08-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shuresm58

and i must say an emergency stop in a straight line using ABS in the wet is almost as if you don't stop at all. I understand that the pedal pulses to stop locking up so you can steer, but what if you're in a straight line and need to stop quickly like me??
:(

ABS Antilock Braking System is not just about corners, in the wet and in a straight line if you want to lock those wheels up, your going to slide a lot further than using ABS.

Christiaan · 05-08-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DOC

ABS Antilock Braking System is not just about corners, in the wet and in a straight line if you want to lock those wheels up, your going to slide a lot further than using ABS.

But it just felt as though i wasn't stopping? In am emergency situation in the wet, there's no way to stop my car. It's kind of scary?

Falcon4L · 05-08-2007, 03:56 PM

you would've slid heaps further without the ABS though... but it won't feel like it.

Allen · 05-08-2007, 04:01 PM

Last night I was doing a 3 point turn in the wet... i put my brakes on at about 5km/h when the abs kicked in. I almost hit a parked car due to the ABS dragging out the stop.

Sometimes the ABS isn't as smart as it thinks it is...

XR8Master · 05-08-2007, 04:02 PM

Of corse your going to slide, you drive an E-series, try slotted rotors

Rodp · 05-08-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fairlane_ghia

Last night I was doing a 3 point turn in the wet... i put my brakes on at about 5km/h when the abs kicked in. I almost hit a parked car due to the ABS dragging out the stop.

Sometimes the ABS isn't as smart as it thinks it is...

That's why you should never have a false sense of security just because the car is fitted with ABS. I actually make it a point to coast more coming to a stopped intersection since all it takes is one pothole if you're on the brakes with any force for ABS to extend your braking distance momentarily.

RG · 05-08-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8Master

Of corse your going to slide, you drive an E-series, try slotted rotors

And how are slotted rotors going to stop the tyres from breaking traction?

MeLLy · 05-08-2007, 06:25 PM

about a 3 point loss and 300-400 fine, Roughly.

GTWHOA · 05-08-2007, 06:35 PM

You might be lucky the camera could have run out of film.

Casper · 05-08-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DVL40L

You might be lucky the camera could have run out of film.

unlikely. I think they are all digital now anyhow.

Paxton · 05-08-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DVL40L

You might be lucky the camera could have run out of film.

Only in NSW mate. Victoria, as Casper said, is all Digital. Our Roads Minister said that, because of the maintenance of the Analogue cameras, only about 1/3rd of them are working. Talk about Russian Roulette. I wish I could say the same thing about our Speed Cameras.

I'll add this: You can always appeal the fine, just tell the Authorities that it was wet, the Visibility was poor, and you tried to stop, but, because of Oil on the road you slid over the Lines, triggering the camera. Apologise, and you should get off.

Ralliart · 05-08-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MeLLy

about a 3 point loss and 300-400 fine, Roughly.

D8m they are increased, the fine D8m

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XR8Master · 05-08-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

And how are slotted rotors going to stop the tyres from breaking traction?

I wasn't sure if he was refering to Tyre skid or Brake fade, though now that I reread his post it makes more sense so Forget the slotted rotors now, just go search for some dunlop 245's

XHUTE6 · 05-08-2007, 08:58 PM

I know it's not a nice thing to hear me say but making excuses is going to get you nowhere. Try though still..
They'll just tell you that you should have been driving to the conditions.
in SA it's $300+, 3 demerit points and if you're on your P plates, say goodbye to your license... Disobeying a traffic signal is a breach of Provisional Conditions and that's an immediate loss of license.

I got shat on... I went through on a wet day with a Semi, 23 tonne on my trailer, ABS and air assist and i only just crossed the line as it went red... the day before i got off my P's... There is no common sense in the govt.

I just hope you're not in SA. GOOD LUCK

RG · 05-08-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8Master

I wasn't sure if he was refering to Tyre skid or Brake fade, though now that I reread his post it makes more sense so Forget the slotted rotors now, just go search for some dunlop 245's

Wider tyres in the wet have more of a tendency to aquaplane...

Christiaan · 06-08-2007, 03:04 AM

My setup:

- EBC Black pads (new)
- DBA Slotted rotors (just machined)
- 215/60 Bridgestone Grid II (Brand new)

I tried a emergency stop tonight in the wet in a controlled environment (country road) and it pulled up alright. I'm guessing the road was very greasy/slippery/worn.

I will definitely appeal the fine, see how i go.

sfr rob · 06-08-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralliart

D8m they are increased, the fine D8m

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what??
\I watched a bloke get done that same spot, he was probably 50 over, he flew through it and bang bang, he was pinged, looked like he stole the car anyway. :togo:

manny_papa · 06-08-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

Wider tyres in the wet have more of a tendency to aquaplane...

can you ellaborate on that, doesnt seem right to me.
With wider tyres you have more tyre on the road which logically means more grip.

Oh also if you dont have the right pressure in your tyres (36-40) then under brakes, tyres concave inwards causing a cave in the center of the tyre, which enables for water to get in under the tyre, then you will take longer to stop. Even in dry weather, the tyre concaves inwards on brakes and you only use couple centimeters from the left and right side of a tyre, the center concaves.

Heres a little pic

Correct pressure, full lock skid, the tyre will leave marks like this ||| = all of tyre surface used
incorrect pressure looks like this on skid | | = only using left and right side of tyre on a skid.

Hope that makes sense.

Christiaan · 06-08-2007, 03:04 PM

where the pic manny?

06-08-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by manny_papa

can you ellaborate on that, doesnt seem right to me.
With wider tyres you have more tyre on the road which logically means more grip.

But if there is a bigger surface area there is less weight on an area at a given time. Ie if you had 6" tyres and 1500kg weight, there would be 62.5KG on a given 1" of tyre width. If you went to 8" wide there would only be 46.8kg on a given 1" of tyre width.

Thats why rally cars don't run 9" wide tyres where at the drags you would

On top of that, the water then has the travel further to be removed from under the tyre, if there is a big volume of water the tyres can't pump it out, the tyre then acts like a plane wing

manny_papa · 06-08-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shuresm58

where the pic manny?

not an actual pic mate sorry, just my little illustrations ||| etc :P

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

But if there is a bigger surface area there is less weight on an area at a given time. Ie if you had 6" tyres and 1500kg weight, there would be 62.5KG on a given 1" of tyre width. If you went to 8" wide there would only be 46.8kg on a given 1" of tyre width.

On top of that, the water then has the travel further to be removed from under the tyre, if there is a big volume of water the tyres can't pump it out, the tyre then acts like a plane wing

I can understand that thank you.

NatashaED · 06-08-2007, 04:03 PM

How many traffic offences do you have to ur name? they generally let u off if u don't have any. so u can generally only appeal the first one. i got done in the wet went through a red light/speed camera, i tried to stop ended up in the middle of the intersection, not speeding, wrote to them, told them what happened, and they let me off. i didn't have any speeding fines to my name at that point though, and i think part of it was i didn't get done for speeding aswell. so just appeal, marks are probably on the road so they check it up if they want to.