Thoughts on FPV running with GS again??

lightninGStrike FPV · 08-09-2010, 09:07 PM

Well so much for the GS being a limited edition

FPV deciding to use the GS badge for its entry level supercharged model as well

not happy. I never bought my GS thinking it will be a collectors model but hey having a limited model was a huge appeal but not anymore. Why couldn't they have left it alone like the Rspec, Cobra, GT40s and Force.
Contacted my local Ford dealer quoted me $25,000 change over for the new supercharged GS. I don't think so Fraud.....

sxckevo · 08-09-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lightninGStrike FPV

Well so much for the GS being a limited edition

FPV deciding to use the GS badge for its entry level supercharged model as well

not happy. I never bought my GS thinking it will be a collectors model but hey having a limited model was a huge appeal but not anymore. Why couldn't they have left it alone like the Rspec, Cobra, GT40s and Force.
Contacted my local Ford dealer quoted me $25,000 change over for the new supercharged GS. I don't think so Fraud.....

Yeah I feel for you mate :( when I first heard they were bringing them back I thought there goes the first gen gs owners resale value, but then again yours has the last 302 so they may hold there value

**98TLS** · 08-09-2010, 09:22 PM

Fwiw the GT and GS titles both ended a long time ago,i think back to the XYGS i had with fond memorys as i do of the old mans GT,

i just sigh and smile every time i see any of the later model efforts all things considered.Fords and many others marketing divisions havent come up with much eh

God forbid i ever tried driving my recently aquired XR8 ute like i did the GS,few hundred kms later there would be nothing left let alone would it still actually run,the "Ford roadside assistance" 0800 sticker always makes me chuckle.

dannyhilton · 08-09-2010, 09:27 PM

I think FPV had such a positive response from the GS model it seemed pointless to drop the then 'limited edition' name and introduce a new entry model. FPV needed an entry model, the GT should have never been at the bottom of the barrel, so it made sense to continue the model, at least from a new sales point of view. It certainly does suck for 302 BOSS GS models owners, but as sxckevo said, you guys have the last 302 models.

Enjoy your car, it's an absolute corker

XCwillo · 08-09-2010, 09:37 PM

NOO!

This means my XC GS loses so much value D':

WOTDAH · 08-09-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 98TLS

God forbid i ever tried driving my recently aquired XR8 ute like i did the GS,few hundred kms later there would be nothing left let alone would it still actually run.

How do you get that conclusion. Your XR8 is lightyears ahead of the old GS in every way. Maybe you could explain yourself a little bit better.

Falc'man · 08-09-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lightninGStrike FPV

Well so much for the GS being a limited edition

FPV deciding to use the GS badge for its entry level supercharged model as well

not happy. I never bought my GS thinking it will be a collectors model but hey having a limited model was a huge appeal but not anymore. Why couldn't they have left it alone like the Rspec, Cobra, GT40s and Force.
Contacted my local Ford dealer quoted me $25,000 change over for the new supercharged GS. I don't think so Fraud.....

How do you think the EB & EL GT owners felt when FPV decided they wouldn't limit the numbers of the GT from BA? They probably felt the same as you do now except that those car's values haven't exactly dropped at the same rate the mainstream models of that era have. Correct me if I'm wrong

In addition to that you have the last of the 5.4s and that should mean something, and yes, that specific model (that you have) was/is still limited.

**Revolver** · 08-09-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

How do you think the EB & EL GT owners felt when FPV decided they wouldn't limit the numbers of the GT from BA? They probably felt the same as you do now except that those car's values haven't exactly dropped at the same rate the mainstream models of that era have. Correct me if I'm wrong

I wanted to stay out of this one but... Im sorry Falc'man I fail to see the corrolation on the comparison of EB & EL GT to BA GT, there was the whole era of AU in there. Not to metion approx 6 years. Did the XC GT owners feel any different when they heard of EB GT? Not doubt the EB's felt a little unhappy when EL came out... The 5ltr was passed it's used by date when BA ran out. Obviously they were running the now obsolete 5.4.

Thought I certainly agree on the last run 302 5.4 part....

I dont think there is too much of a worry mr lightning strike.... They are different

**98TLS** · 08-09-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WOTDAH

How do you get that conclusion. Your XR8 is lightyears ahead of the old GS in every way. Maybe you could explain yourself a little bit better.

Call me old fashioned but i like panels i can lean on without them caving in.Dont get me wrong i am fond of being back in a Ford after years without but the build quality of these things compared to then is a

Tech wise of course its lightyears etc but quality wise

To be honest the somewhat plastic interior of my XY was to my disliking after an XT but at least it didnt fall to bits on every second drive like the thing i have.Its rubbish and as i live in a rural area it gets driven hard on bad roads with appalling results,back in the day it didnt affect the XY one bit.

fou_bleu · 08-09-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 98TLS

Call me old fashioned but i like panels i can lean on without them caving in.Dont get me wrong i am fond of being back in a Ford after years without but the build quality of these things compared to then is a

Tech wise of course its lightyears etc but quality wise

To be honest the somewhat plastic interior of my XY was to my disliking after an XT but at least it didnt fall to bits on every second drive like the thing i have.Its rubbish and as i live in a rural area it gets driven hard on bad roads with appalling results,back in the day it didnt affect the XY one bit.

Well then, if the BA is so 'crap', what are you waiting for? Go buy an XY and sell that 'crappy' BA! Geez.

Back on topic, I personally see no problem with the GS becoming mainstream, I think it'll fill in the gap between XR8 and GT. (Duh! :P)

PS: Also remember, HSV has the GXP (although, isn't it a limited edition too? Then again, so is the Commodore International...)

Auslandau · 08-09-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Beast II

I wanted to stay out of this one but... Im sorry Falc'man I fail to see the corrolation on the comparison of EB & EL GT to BA GT, there was the whole era of AU in there. Not to metion approx 6 years. Did the XC GT owners feel any different when they heard of EB GT? Not doubt the EB's felt a little unhappy when EL came out... The 5ltr was passed it's used by date when BA ran out. Obviously they were running the now obsolete 5.4.

Thought I certainly agree on the last run 302 5.4 part....

I dont think there is too much of a worry mr lightning strike.... They are different

I can assure you that back in 'them X series' days the last thing that was on anyones mind was either collectability or resale value. People bought them to enjoy and drive.

There are way too many limited runs for things to hold value to any degree in regards to the main stream car manufacturers .... unless you are planning to keep a 302 GS for the next 40 years in pristine order and never drive it?

And also I would think that anyone that got an XC GT would be very excited as there weren't any made so would be priceless no matter what followed afterwards

vztrt · 08-09-2010, 10:45 PM

Dont care bout the name. Its gonna be a great entry level FPV.

**98TLS** · 08-09-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fordman6

Well then, if the BA is so 'crap', what are you waiting for? Go buy an XY and sell that 'crappy' BA! Geez.

Back on topic, I personally see no problem with the GS becoming mainstream, I think it'll fill in the gap between XR8 and GT. (Duh! :P)

PS: Also remember, HSV has the GXP (although, isn't it a limited edition too? Then again, so is the Commodore International...)

Id need to sell 3 of them to even start looking,fair call on the "back on topic" thing though,apologies to the thread starter i got a tad off center.Sorry.

**Revolver** · 08-09-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

I can assure you that back in 'them X series' days the last thing that was on anyones mind was either collectability or resale value. People bought them to enjoy and drive.

There are way too many limited runs for things to hold value to any degree in regards to the main stream car manufacturers .... unless you are planning to keep a 302 GS for the next 40 years in pristine order and never drive it?

And also I would think that anyone that got an XC GT would be very excited as there weren't any made so would be priceless no matter what followed afterwards

But what I'm saying is, the owners og their respcetive Gt's werent there for resale value. They bought to drive them. & That BA cant compare to EB/EL. Same as X* to EB/EL. Different cars Different era's, different focus on what the car is about.

Iggypoppin' · 08-09-2010, 11:08 PM

So many FPV GS owners who act like it's the end of the world that FPV aren't limiting numbers...in all honesty how many FGII GS' will they sell? Probably not enough for Joe Average to all of a sudden think "wow that particular model is so common".
So a car FPV first released as a Limited run sells out; and with great reviews
so FPV decide to keep it going.
And all some can do is bag them out for trying to please their customers, and make money.
There's just no pleasing some people is there?

Falc'man · 08-09-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Beast II

I wanted to stay out of this one but... Im sorry Falc'man I fail to see the correlation on the comparison of EB & EL GT to BA GT, there was the whole era of AU in there. Not to metion approx 6 years. Did the XC GT owners feel any different when they heard of EB GT? Not doubt the EB's felt a little unhappy when EL came out... The 5ltr was passed it's used by date when BA ran out. Obviously they were running the now obsolete 5.4.

Thought I certainly agree on the last run 302 5.4 part....

I dont think there is too much of a worry mr lightning strike.... They are different

If you look at it that way then you're right.

What the thread starter is more concerned about is his car's "limited edition" tag: The GS went from LE to a mainstream FPV model, hence my comparison, although, as you point out, the time lag between the EB/EL & BA is a sizeable one, so it wasn't the best comparison. But that's where the correlation is.

Being the first GS in decades, as well as having the last of Boss 5.4 motors, does warrant the LE tag. Moving to a mainstream model would only be a concern to the LE owners, such as lightninGStrike-FPV, had FPV announced the exact same spec - as his GS - would be offered.

Maybe I'm wrong in that I'm not looking at it from an owner's point of view, but if I bought one, it would have been more for the package that was offered. And in essence, the package makes the badge (limited or not) - the badge doesn't make the package.

pottery beige · 09-09-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 98TLS

Fwiw the GT and GS titles both ended a long time ago,i think back to the XYGS i had with fond memorys as i do of the old mans GT,

i just sigh and smile every time i see any of the later model efforts all things considered.Fords and many others marketing divisions havent come up with much eh

God forbid i ever tried driving my recently aquired XR8 ute like i did the GS,few hundred kms later there would be nothing left let alone would it still actually run,the "Ford roadside assistance" 0800 sticker always makes me chuckle.

i jumped in a brand new BA GT determined to see if it was worthy of the badge...... plenty of clutchys, flatty changes tippin it into big wide open corners at 230 and powering out.... it sits proudly in my shed next to two buckets of bolts old GT's holding its head high..... dont forget the old ones were just a bunch of stickers and a harry hotrod motor aswell.........

lightninGStrike FPV · 09-09-2010, 06:59 AM

Will be interesting to see how many GS's are sold to GT's considering the price difference. Lots of mods could be done to the GS for the same money. I wonder if the supercharger is as easy to create HP as the turbos are?
Oh and I guess having the last 5.4 Boss ever build is not so bad, and the GS is a great package I love every moment of driving it.
Would be nice having a factory supercharged V8 with warranty, cant wait for them to come down in price in a year or two.

landau460 · 09-09-2010, 07:44 AM

As the post heads my thoughts on the GS good im for the good old badges bring on the GT-HO roo maybe even the 500 all the xt reminded me of was a 40 odd year old falcon range. I dont see why we have to have so much built into a base model that there is not that much more to the top! (might get hammered for that last comment

). Why not have a base model with out most of the bells and whistles and a lot lower price tag.

flappist · 09-09-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lightninGStrike FPV

Well so much for the GS being a limited edition

FPV deciding to use the GS badge for its entry level supercharged model as well

not happy. I never bought my GS thinking it will be a collectors model but hey having a limited model was a huge appeal but not anymore. Why couldn't they have left it alone like the Rspec, Cobra, GT40s and Force.
Contacted my local Ford dealer quoted me $25,000 change over for the new supercharged GS. I don't think so Fraud.....

So are you more annoyed that there is a new GS (and it seems to now be a continuing marque) or that the new one is far quicker and in replacing your existing one you will lose a lot of money?

The only thing that limited the number of 5.4 GSs was Euro IV and the number of engines they wanted to move before they could not use them anymore.

Smoke Pursuit · 09-09-2010, 08:33 AM

The FG1 GS has already taken a big hit of depreciation due to the price they are selling them for now, my dealer up the road has a demo with stuff all kms on it for $42,990 drive away!!

ltd · 09-09-2010, 08:43 AM

According to the sales manager at my local dealership the GS is the new XR8 anyway, as only FPV are getting Coyote. Again, this is according to her.

Smoke Pursuit · 09-09-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

According to the sales manager at my local dealership the GS is the new XR8 anyway, as only FPV are getting Coyote. Again, this is according to her.

Wrong....

1TUFFUTE · 09-09-2010, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

According to the sales manager at my local dealership the GS is the new XR8 anyway, as only FPV are getting Coyote. Again, this is according to her.

haha wat a nub...

Brazen · 09-09-2010, 10:27 AM

Ford love to have their cake and eat it too. Bring out a model, call it limited edition, bank on the reputation of past limited editions which have had fantastic resale which then encourages buyers to pay a premium for the product, then bang make it a mainstream product so you can sell more of them and screw the customers who fell for the trick.

You cant have Ford harp on and on about how limited a model is in a sales pitch and adverstising when justifying its price and advantages over the competition, then next minute throw that out by making it a permanent model.

Its simply deception and misleading, in any other industry the customer could seek damages.

In this case FPV has already lost if the OP is annoyed enough to come on here and voice their annoyance, you have to have a better relationships with your customers at this end of the market.

XWGT · 09-09-2010, 10:34 AM

Its a car
Its going to devalue
Quickly

The sooner you are at peace with this the easier the world will turn :-)

SS_01 · 09-09-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by XWGT

Its a car
Its going to devalue
Quickly

The sooner you are at peace with this the easier the world will turn :-)

Love it, couldnt have said it better myself. These cars are for the Mass market, and will never retain value regardless of a badge or its previous heritage.

Grippy · 09-09-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lightninGStrike FPV

Well so much for the GS being a limited edition

FPV deciding to use the GS badge for its entry level supercharged model as well

not happy. I never bought my GS thinking it will be a collectors model but hey having a limited model was a huge appeal but not anymore. Why couldn't they have left it alone like the Rspec, Cobra, GT40s and Force.
Contacted my local Ford dealer quoted me $25,000 change over for the new supercharged GS. I don't think so Fraud.....

Did the dealer you bought your GS from tell you it was a limited run and the name GS wasn't going to be used again when coyote was released? It sucks how quickly these cars depreciate when purchased new, but thats just the way it is. Enjoy the unique car you have or take the hit and buy a supercharged coyote GS

Smoke Pursuit · 09-09-2010, 11:00 AM

Mostly everyone knew that the GS was a test for FPV to see whether there was room in the market for an entry level product...

They would have done better by building a LE GT if thats all they were wanting to achieve.

vztrt · 09-09-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lightninGStrike FPV

Will be interesting to see how many GS's are sold to GT's considering the price difference. Lots of mods could be done to the GS for the same money. I wonder if the supercharger is as easy to create HP as the turbos are?
Oh and I guess having the last 5.4 Boss ever build is not so bad, and the GS is a great package I love every moment of driving it.
Would be nice having a factory supercharged V8 with warranty, cant wait for them to come down in price in a year or two.

The difference between the two will be if you want much better brakes or not.

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Originally Posted by ltd

According to the sales manager at my local dealership the GS is the new XR8 anyway, as only FPV are getting Coyote. Again, this is according to her.

It was gonna be like that, but Ford/FPV worked out that the XR8 still have life with Ford....hopefully G8E as well.