Vfacts November 2018

[BENT_8]

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/vfact...-05/76777.html

Hilux 4671
Ranger 3469

Commodore 701

[anobserver]

According to news.com.au the Mustang outsold the Commodore.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...3ecbfa1c45616e

With GM dumping sedans, closing factories and selling Opel to Vauxhall and Peugeot, the Commodore may very well end up discontinued.

Note the preponderance of Utes: 1st, 2nd and 4th best sellers.

[jpd80]

4x2 Tradie Ute sale last month, I expect that’s where HiLux really hustles against Ranger.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

4x2 Tradie Ute sale last month, I expect that’s where HiLux really hustles against Ranger.

Quite likely, lucky Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing on the up spec Ranger or the gap could have much greater than 1200 units.

[McobraR]

Interesting. Holden must be selling a bit of every model they have to only be 394 sales below Ford, where as Ford seems like they're relying mainly on Ranger and Mustang.

[Vesper Martini]

The top-selling passenger car in November was again the Toyota Corolla 2663, while Mazda’s popular CX-5 2000 was the best-selling SUV.

Ford failing in both these segments and only capitalizing on one
The top 10 vehicles is made up of twin cab utes, small cars & small/medium SUV's

Focus is due for an upgrade and Escape hasn't improved much since its name change from Kuga.

anybody know how many they sold of these?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

The top-selling passenger car in November was again the Toyota Corolla 2663, while Mazda’s popular CX-5 2000 was the best-selling SUV.

Ford failing in both these segments and only capitalizing on one
The top 10 vehicles is made up of twin cab utes, small cars & small/medium SUV's

Focus is due for an upgrade and Escape hasn't improved much since its name change from Kuga.

anybody know how many they sold of these?

We had a look at the Escape when we were getting a SUV, the CX-5 was just a nicer car, only thing i liked about the Escape more was the Sync system.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

The top-selling passenger car in November was again the Toyota Corolla 2663, while Mazda’s popular CX-5 2000 was the best-selling SUV.

Ford failing in both these segments and only capitalizing on one
The top 10 vehicles is made up of twin cab utes, small cars & small/medium SUV's

Focus is due for an upgrade and Escape hasn't improved much since its name change from Kuga.

anybody know how many they sold of these?

New Focus goes on sale this month?

Escape needs to do better for Ford, but it is getting old and a new one is due in the US next year. Not sure when we will get it as ours come from Europe.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Quite likely, lucky Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing on the up spec Ranger or the gap could have much greater than 1200 units.

Ranger supply has become an issue again. Amazingly most people are opting for the 2.0 on XLT and Wildtrak. Ford has plans to change the split for 2019 to increase 2.0 production and reduce 3.2.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by McobraR

Interesting. Holden must be selling a bit of every model they have to only be 394 sales below Ford, where as Ford seems like they're relying mainly on Ranger and Mustang.

IMO i'd have to agree.. as lack lusture the holden line up is currently ( and for me there is absolutely NOTHING in their line up that interests me), they are not all that far behind Ford who's only real good sellers are the ranger & mustang.
Just shows atm how important it is for ford not to drop the ball on these two models & always be a leader in developing them or they will risk a massive fall.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/vfact...-05/76777.html

Commodore 701

Must be the best result for the Opel Commodore since it was released.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Ranger supply has become an issue again. Amazingly most people are opting for the 2.0 on XLT and Wildtrak. Ford has plans to change the split for 2019 to increase 2.0 production and reduce 3.2.

Source? Re “supply issues”.This is NOT on any news regarding sales of it.Go Auto,Car advice,Motoring.com.au etc...Ford “propaganda”?Hilux again has smashed in sales in both category’s(4x4 & 4x2) In fact it smashed its owned record from last year(4,000 odd units) to this year of 4,600 odd units.(& this year is not even finished!)Ranger:3600 odd units.It seems Ranger will never catch Hilux,it just keeps going from strength to strength.Cheers

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Must be the best result for the Opel Commodore since it was released.

Yup,the month before was in the mid 600 units I think.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Amazingly most people are opting for the 2.0 on XLT and Wildtrak.

well fancy that! despite all the internet heroes opinions of milk and orange juice, Ford did get it right after all

[hackney]

Originally Posted by simon varley

well fancy that! despite all the internet heroes opinions of milk and orange juice, Ford did get it right after all

All they have to do is get the data for various variants.How simple is that? No brainer really.How could you get it wrong,especially if you know customers buying preferences?

[suttoo]

Originally Posted by simon varley

well fancy that! despite all the internet heroes opinions of milk and orange juice, Ford did get it right after all

Its bloody hard to find a bi-turbo wildtrak, we are yet to sell a 3.2 in XLT or Wildtrak

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by hackney

Source? Re “supply issues”.This is NOT on any news regarding sales of it.Go Auto,Car advice,Motoring.com.au etc...Ford “propaganda”?Hilux again has smashed in sales in both category’s(4x4 & 4x2) In fact it smashed its owned record from last year(4,000 odd units) to this year of 4,600 odd units.(& this year is not even finished!)Ranger:3600 odd units.It seems Ranger will never catch Hilux,it just keeps going from strength to strength.Cheers

Ford national sales manager meeting...

Is that a good enough source for you?

Hilux only outsells Ranger due to 4x2. Current promo on 4x2 Hilux with a tray is $23,990. The cheapest Ranger is nearly 30k! And before you say Hilux 4x4 outsells Ranger, yes it does but not every month. The reason is national fleet customers tend to stick to 1 brand, so if they buy 4x2's they also buy 4x4 Hiluxs.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by hackney

All they have to do is get the data for various variants.How simple is that? No brainer really.How could you get it wrong,especially if you know customers buying preferences?

How do you know customers buying preference when you bring a new engine to market that doesn't exist? Ford played the smart card here.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

Wrong.Hilux OUTSOLD Ranger 4x4 In November & Oct.Fleet also buy Ranger.So that argument does not stack up.

So October and November is every month ?

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by hackney

Until August(2018) Hilux outsold Ranger in the 4x4 segment(21 unit’s)September:Hilux outsold Ranger in the 4x4 segment by 468 units.October:Hilux again outsold Ranger by 362 units.November: Hilux outsold Ranger 3669 to 3023.”King of the Hill”? I would say so.December will be the same for Hilux as well I should imagine.Cheers

You haven’t seen the deals they’re doing on Hilux have you...?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

Until August(2018) Hilux outsold Ranger in the 4x4 segment(21 unit’s)September:Hilux outsold Ranger in the 4x4 segment by 468 units.October:Hilux again outsold Ranger by 362 units.November: Hilux outsold Ranger 3669 to 3023.”King of the Hill”? I would say so.December will be the same for Hilux as well I should imagine.Cheers

Keep in mind that this is not an apples to apples straight comparison, we discussed last month
that the Ranger 4x4 is more expensive than the comparable Hilux. Toyota had some good sales on
its 4x2 and 4x4 Hilux that were at least five grand less than Ranger. As Bent 8 pointed out earlier,
Ford's five years free service kept Ranger in the hunt with 4x4 Hilux last month but no way could
it match $23,990 drive away tradie utes, that's an area Ford refuses to revisit let alone compete in.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

Until August(2018) Hilux outsold Ranger in the 4x4 segment(21 unit’s)September:Hilux outsold Ranger in the 4x4 segment by 468 units.October:Hilux again outsold Ranger by 362 units.November: Hilux outsold Ranger 3669 to 3023.”King of the Hill”? I would say so.December will be the same for Hilux as well I should imagine.Cheers

Good to see that Hilux outsold Ranger by 21 units in 8 months.

Wow, that means every month they were less than 3 units ahead in the VFACTs numbers every month Because Ranger 4x4 doesn’t outsell Hilux according to you.

Or maybe just maybe Ranger 4x4 outsold Hilux in some of those 8 months ?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Keep in mind that this is not an apples to apples straight comparison, we discussed last month
that the Ranger 4x4 is more expensive than the comparable Hilux. Toyota had some good sales on
its 4x2 and 4x4 Hilux that were at least five grand less than Ranger. As Bent 8 pointed out earlier,
Ford's five years free service kept Ranger in the hunt with 4x4 Hilux last month but no way could
it match $23,990 drive away tradie utes, that's an area Ford refuses to revisit let alone compete in.

Another thing to remember is the influx of 400 Raptor sales that Bossxr8 mentioned in another thread, the fact that long standing orders were satisfied in a 1 month period would have artificially inflated the numbers for which ever month they moved in.
Whilst those purchasers may well have bought Wildtraks had Raptor not been on offer, they wouldn't have all turned up to buy them in October or November, whichever month's numbers they were included in.
It wouldn't have much effect on YTD sales, although im sure some of those Raptor sales were to people who wouldn't necessarily have bought Ranger, but it definitely would have inflated a particular months figures.

[jpd80]

Vehicle..................4x4..............4x2..... ....TOTAL
Hilux 2017.............3,174...........929..........4,10 3
Hilux 2018.............3,669.........1,002.........4,671

Ranger 2017..........3,153...........423..........3,576
Ranger 2018..........3,023...........446..........3,469

I think it's obvious that Hilux had better discounts on it's range than Ranger, especially the 4x4s
as discussed last month and that Ranger Raptor sales are basically being folded into Ford's 4x4 sales,
What we can't see from this is the richer product mix that Ranger is gaining apart from knowing that
roughly 400 of this year's sales are RRs +$10K dearer than Wildtraks - did they replace them or other XLT sales?
We probably won't ever know....either way, I bet Ford is pleased with the result.

[Windsor220]

Ranger is the least of Fords worries. They just need to get their SUV range selling better and also Focus. Small increases across the range will make a big difference.

[Joe5619]

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

1. There’s one bloke here that thinks it will.

2. There is no Kuga on sale in Australia any more.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

Lol, you can never be proven wrong about the "kuga thing" seeing as its now called Escape.......but I'm sure you're just stirring the pot.

I think the bigger concern for Holden is it's dealer network, I know they cut some dealers across the country however the size of the network is still too large for the volume of sales.

[jpd80]

in other news, Mustang scored 780 sales.

I hear HSV have RHD engineered Camaros up to 12 per day and process hours down from 130 to 60 - 70.
I wonder when we'll see sales numbers....does anyone have them yet?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

I personally don't hate on the Commodore as a car but the company itself for its completely disillusion notion that they could pull the wool over the Australian public and sell the new model in similar volume to its predecessor.