If you got caught smuggling Heroin...

42.57lb · 01-12-2005, 12:51 PM

How much money do you think the government should spen on trying to save your life?

How much should we respect the laws of countries where our citizens break those laws and face a harsher penalty than they would here?

Or is it "do the crime, receive the punishment" it's your fault for being a crim...

pauljh74 · 01-12-2005, 12:55 PM

If you're guilty, then you're likely to pay a heavy price. A diplomatic approach would be all you could expect - even though it may be unsuccessful.

EA2BA · 01-12-2005, 01:04 PM

NONE at all.

Valknutr · 01-12-2005, 01:08 PM

i wouldnt know im a dumbarse barbie

MYVYSS · 01-12-2005, 01:10 PM

Maybe 50 bucks in flower to send to you parents...with a NOTE...

Sorry about your loss, next time teach your stupid KID not to do or be assocaited with DRUGS in a country with the Death Penalty..

PS . Could you please finalise his last tax assessment so we can close the books on this no good son of a b.....

XRated · 01-12-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Maybe 50 bucks in flower to send to you parents...with a NOTE...

Sorry about your loss, next time teach your stupid KID not to do or be assocaited with DRUGS in a country with the Death Penalty..

PS . Could you please finalise his last tax assessment so we can close the books on this no good son of a b.....

Yeah because that's all grieving parents should hear.

01-12-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Maybe 50 bucks in flower to send to you parents...with a NOTE...

Sorry about your loss, next time teach your stupid KID not to do or be assocaited with DRUGS in a country with the Death Penalty..

PS . Could you please finalise his last tax assessment so we can close the books on this no good son of a b.....

Here Here

gozza · 01-12-2005, 01:20 PM

none
in this case the law was known....you take drugs into singapore and you take the chance of death
BUT the thing that ticks me off is people saying "hang the bastard...how would you like your son to die from a heroin overdose blah blah blah" raise your kid correctly a55hole...even then you can't control eveything...
I DON"T think that the punishment in this case fits the crime...but it not in the small print that you'll be sentenced to death is it....its his fault

twr7cx · 01-12-2005, 01:20 PM

I don't mean to be racist, but the first thing I noticed was that that bloke looked more at home there than he does here in Australia.
The Aus Gov. wastes far too much money on there people, even a dollar fifty to send a letter to the parents is far to much as far as I'm concerned! I've got no sympathy for druggies, especially ones who've ed themselves up to such a point that they get the smart idea to do drugs in a country with the death penalty!
On top of that I'd be for the death penalty aswell, provided we could prove cases perfectly, it's a load cheaper than us tax payers paying for them to live in jails. And the jails seem to be getting nicer and nicer for them to live in now (e.g. Risdon jail here in Tassie had a riot over the food, now they get better food - if they have a problem with the ing food maybe they should of considered that before breaking the law!?!).

4.9 EF Futura · 01-12-2005, 01:23 PM

I would think a minor expense to express apologies to the parents.

But its very inconsistent isnt it? Nguyen is found guilty of smuggling drugs - the PM asks for a favour and is knocked back - end of story. Yet the Australian government was paying for a QC ($3,000/day at the cheap end of the scale) to try and get Corby off the hook.

Do the crime - do the time. Go to another country - and accept the fact you are subject to their law and order.

bob^ · 01-12-2005, 01:37 PM

There was "doubt" around Corby. She was running around screaming it's not mine, and had a kind of believable story.
This guy on the other hand had it strapped to his body. He couldn't really say it wasn't his.

MYVYSS · 01-12-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

Yeah because that's all grieving parents should hear.

I will still prefer to only have to tell 1 persons parents, or would you prefer to tell the 26000 parents, when the stuff made it to the street and ruined so many lives and possibly killed thousands....

Sorry but

Hang the B@stard.....

parawolf · 01-12-2005, 01:51 PM

Yeah - sorry no sympathy what so ever.

You know it's illegal in your home country and abroad. You would know (or at least should) know local customs of places you visit. You violate local law you get prosecuted. No if's, but's or maybe's.

So what would the difference between if the punishment was capital, or being given a pack of chewing gum?

FordFan86 · 01-12-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Do the crime - do the time. Go to another country - and accept the fact you are subject to their law and order.

Couldn't have said it better.

Mr Cube · 01-12-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Maybe 50 bucks in flower to send to you parents...with a NOTE...

Sorry about your loss, next time teach your stupid KID not to do or be assocaited with DRUGS in a country with the Death Penalty..

PS . Could you please finalise his last tax assessment so we can close the books on this no good son of a b.....

And what if it was your kid?

I mainly feel sorry for his mum, Im of the belief you do the crime you do the time. Hardline.. don't think he should die for it, but that is the law over there, so I think we need to respect that..

Same as Bali - Though I think it is up the creek when a convicted Terrorist is jailed & given a light sentance, and someone with a weed is given 20years. But that is there law and that is wht you need to respect when visiting

loxxr6 · 01-12-2005, 02:41 PM

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NONE at all.

Here here.

Despite having an open mind on drug use, if you're stupid enough to be caught somewhere in a country that executes users, thats your bad luck.

MYVYSS · 01-12-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Cube

And what if it was your kid?

Then I would have FAILED as a parent.....I would be sad, Yes I feel for his family, and its not a very pleasant thing to occur, BUT he is scum of the earth and deserves to DIE, unfortunatly in Aust we hae too many do gooders, I think honestly we should look at the SAME punishment here for some of the crimes committed instead of the slap on the wrists they seem to be getting at the moment...

Martin Bryant should be dead.
Ivan Milat should be Dead.
Julian Knight should be Dead.
Mr Baldy should be Dead.

They are all a waste of space and time and effort....

01-12-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

I will still prefer to only have to tell 1 persons parents, or would you prefer to tell the 26000 parents, when the stuff made it to the street and ruined so many lives and possibly killed thousands....

Sorry but

Hang the B@stard.....

I agree hang him...but i dont have any sympathy for those 26000 parents either...just like his parents failed for whatever reason to raise him better...those parents of the 26000 potential drug using scum need to be hanged too.

Its a matter of supply and demand, if ppl didnt want it, they wouldnt sell it, and vice versa.

See how much worse that sound now...none of can be sure why desperate ppl do what they do....all i pray for is that, i survived the drug craze, and that my kids will one day get through it too...thats it.

Whitey-AMG · 01-12-2005, 02:58 PM

My main concen about all this is the amount of honest taxpayers money that goes in defending these "criminals"

They get executed..................we pay.
They go to prison....................we pay for upkeep
They go to rehab programs........we pay for the facilities.

Poor street kids......single mums/dads......sick elderly.......pensioners.........povertline wage earners.......who cannot cope with an overtaxed system and socitey that need help daily just to get through will mostly HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN SORROWS

We need to get our priorities right people............DRUG traffickers sell drugs to sick/innocent/addicted people to MAKE MONEY for themselves and their dealer cartels..................

My only sympathies here are to the poor bastard Taxpayers that are probably funding the trips of all the pollies going to SG and flying around OZ trying to rectify this very sad situation.

Now back to work........I need to earn another dollar to fund the defense of another trafficker............... :togo:

The Monty · 01-12-2005, 03:03 PM

We should give them nothing. I dont want it to look like Australia is OK with drugs by trying to get these drug smugglers out of their punishments. You risk taking a drug over there, you risk facing their punishment.

parawolf · 01-12-2005, 03:17 PM

why can't we in australia just knock local dealers out, stuff a condom of herion in their gut and put them on the next plane to singapore? Singapore has the right way to deal with these people - not pussy foot Australia.

BA Bakes · 01-12-2005, 03:24 PM

I think if you get caught smuggling drugs from another country it your own stupid faulty. It's there country, respect there laws just as we expect vistors to respect our laws.

hamo · 01-12-2005, 03:47 PM

yeah its real easy to kill or lock away the dealers, they'll just be replaced anyway.
i think more education for users would be a better option. no one is forced to buy drugs

42.57lb · 01-12-2005, 03:50 PM

I think whoever put forward the suggestion for a minutes silence aught to be put in jail. Elevating a criminal to the staus of a war veteran who died in combat fighting to save this country should be a crime punishable in some way or another.

Keepleft · 01-12-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Then I would have FAILED as a parent.....I would be sad, Yes I feel for his family, and its not a very pleasant thing to occur, BUT he is scum of the earth and deserves to DIE, unfortunatly in Aust we hae too many do gooders, I think honestly we should look at the SAME punishment here for some of the crimes committed instead of the slap on the wrists they seem to be getting at the moment...

Martin Bryant should be dead.

...

Just as soon as we have a trial maybe.

KEV EB XR8 · 01-12-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 42.57lb

I think whoever put forward the suggestion for a minutes silence aught to be put in jail. Elevating a criminal to the staus of a war veteran who died in combat fighting to save this country should be a crime punishable in some way or another.

It does make you wonder what our veterans may think of this atrocity. The nations minute silence is a faithfull gesture to our "departed veterans"

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Mr Cube · 01-12-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 42.57lb

I think whoever put forward the suggestion for a minutes silence aught to be put in jail. Elevating a criminal to the staus of a war veteran who died in combat fighting to save this country should be a crime punishable in some way or another.

Tottally agree. I know I won't be silent, I reserve my respect to the Vets.

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Then I would have FAILED as a parent.....I would be sad, Yes I feel for his family, and its not a very pleasant thing to occur, BUT he is scum of the earth and deserves to DIE, unfortunatly in Aust we hae too many do gooders, I think honestly we should look at the SAME punishment here for some of the crimes committed instead of the slap on the wrists they seem to be getting at the moment...

Martin Bryant should be dead.
Ivan Milat should be Dead.
Julian Knight should be Dead.
Mr Baldy should be Dead.

They are all a waste of space and time and effort....

See where you are coming from and yeah I agree, there are a lot of people that just can't be helped serve no purpose and really are a waste of space and tax payers money...

Sporty Corty · 01-12-2005, 04:12 PM

I have a friend who had an addiction it ruined their life and their parents lives it was Hell for the whole family for about 5 years, They are clean now.
But there are plenty of families that loose their children to death and addiction.

I agree with his sentence because he is guilty he cant deny his guilt its not a nice way to go and I feel for his family but I can also understand the releif of those 26000 familys.

Singapore must be on the right track with their justice system and sentencing their crime rate is a lot lower than ours.

I think the sentence should match the crime!!!!!

vztrt · 01-12-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 42.57lb

I think whoever put forward the suggestion for a minutes silence aught to be put in jail. Elevating a criminal to the status of a war veteran who died in combat fighting to save this country should be a crime punishable in some way or another.

I couldn't believe that was proposed.

I'm against the death penalty as I don't believe that people shouldn't decide on other people's lives (that's my feelings not trying to preach). But I feel that the government shouldn't help a trafficker and I don't have much compassion for addicts either.

If I was in this situation and I'd get life in prison or the death penalty I'd hope I'd get the death penalty and even ask the judge if he gave me life.

XA Coupsta · 01-12-2005, 04:22 PM

Has anyone here had their child executed? I would doubt it. So its very easy to type some easily typed words without true thought "I dont care - hang him"......

Another point to remember. He didnt take drugs (as in administer/shoot up/etc) in Singapore. He wasnt going to traffic those drugs in Singapore. He was in TRANSIT via Singapore to take them to Australia.

None of that heroin hit the streets in Singapore - so why is he bound by those laws? He isnt a drug dealer in Singapore at all?

So HTF can they execute him?

I have very different views (obviously) than others on this situation.

I agree - he is breaking the law - but I believe the law of his 'target' country (which is actually Australia). I believe he most certainly should be punished. No - it shouldnt be death - and no - Singapore should have nothing to do with his punishment.