Wheel Alignment....

[OZFORDAU]

Hey,

Ok when i had the wheel alignment done they noticed that the right hand front camber kit is out by so many degreaes! I've just read the sheet that they gave me after it had been done and it says that the RIGHT said is out!
And the car is going to the left on a straight line and thats after the wheel alignment and eveything!

I've got the specs for it....

By the way the * stands for degrease

Front Axle:

Camber

The Left side was +0*18 (Before the adjustment)
and the Right side was -0*55 (Before the adjustment)

After adjustment.....

The Left side was +0*20
and the Right was -0*52

Hope this makes sense! Now can someone please translate this to me and tell me whats wrong with my car?

Cheers

Simon

[GK]

Nice avitar, 1000% improvement, those numbers I can tell you about! LOL!

GK

[tufLTD]

It looks like they didn't even adjust the camber! You should have about -30' each side.
What were your caster readings?
You may need to fit camber kits to get the measurements correct.

[xr8ute]

A normal 30-odd dollar wheel alignment will only include toe adjustment. You need to ask (and pay!) if you want castor adjusted as well, its a much bigger job than adjusting toe.

I dont think camber is (directly) adjustable?

[GK]

Simon, looks like you need to go back to them and do a Pauline Hanson "Please Explain!" Ask them to give it to you in plain English too, not the computer maths figures! :

GK

[GK]

BTW, any chance of some larger pics of the whole car? I want to get a good look at it!

GK

[Dark Horse]

That can't be right. Correct FACTORY settings are as follows:

FRONT

Standard#
CASTER: 6.8° ± 0.5°
CAMBER: -0.25° ± 0.5°
TOE: -1.0mm ± 1.2mm
K.P.I.: 9.5°

XR/Sports##
CASTER: 7.3° ± 0.5°
CAMBER: -1.0° ± 0.3°
TOE: 2.0mm ± 1.0mm
K.P.I.: 9.5°

18" Option##
CASTER: 7.3° ± 0.5°
CAMBER: -0.25° ± 0.3°
TOE: +2.0mm ± 1.0mm
K.P.I.: 9.5°

REAR (IRS)

Standard#
CAMBER: -0.5° ± 0.25°
TOE: 3.0mm ± 1.2mm

XR/Sports###
CAMBER: -0.5° ± 0.25°
TOE: 2.0mm ± 1.2mm

18" Option###
CAMBER: -0.75° ± 0.25°
TOE: 2.0mm ± 1.2mm

*TOE IN +ve; TOE OUT -ve

Max. variation for Caster/Camber is 0.7°

Footnotes:
# Fender Opening (pin height) = 417mm
## Fender Opening (kerb height) = 367mm
### Fender Opening (kerb height) = 377mm

Values specified are at vehicle attitude and at kerb weight.

Extracted out of the Owners' Handbook.

[Baboon_AU]

best way to fix it is get a camber kit, i will getting new front tyres and a camber kit. my front tyres have just worn to sh*t. i have had numerous wheel alignmnets and the tyre place has always said that AU falcons are notorious for bad front alignments. they have suggested to get a camber kit numerous times.

[tufLTD]

Originally Posted by xr8ute

A normal 30-odd dollar wheel alignment will only include toe adjustment. You need to ask (and pay!) if you want castor adjusted as well, its a much bigger job than adjusting toe.

I dont think camber is (directly) adjustable?

We do full alignments including camber & caster for $39. You'll find most of the 'supermarket' places like K-mart, BJ's, etc will only adjust toe. It's a rip-off! No wonder most people's cars keep scrubbing out tyres. Go to a wheel alignment specialist in your area & they will sort it out for you.

[OZFORDAU]

Dark Horse said something about factory settings? But i've just had 18" rims put on! So those factory settings u gave me wouldn't be suitable for my car would it? I don't know what to do!

Arhhh :

Cheers

Simon :

[JC]

Originally Posted by OZFORDAU

Dark Horse said something about factory settings? But i've just had 18" rims put on! So those factory settings u gave me wouldn't be suitable for my car would it? I don't know what to do!

Arhhh :

Cheers

Simon :

Yes, the factory settings should still be fine. Once you lower it, you can get the alignment re-done to match the 18" option settings.

[GK]

Originally Posted by OZFORDAU

Dark Horse said something about factory settings? But i've just had 18" rims put on! So those factory settings u gave me wouldn't be suitable for my car would it? I don't know what to do!

Originally Posted by tufLTD

Go to a wheel alignment specialist in your area & they will sort it out for you.

Simon, take it easy, you're not going to trash the tyres in a few days of driving. I think tufLTD has given some good advice. Get it checked out, I would go back to the place where they were fitted, get them to explain the figures, if that's not satisfactory, book it in to a wheel alignment specialist somewhere, ensuring they adjust camber and toe of course!

GK

[FTE217]

yep as tufLTD said go to a place who knows what they are doing....Pedders and many other Suspension specialsts.

[The Dok]

I know of an excellent (front end specialist) in Frankston/Seaford, highly recommended, I take my cars @2-3 times per year (sometimes if the alignment is right, he doesn't even charge me, yes really), more importantly he's been there @30 years & really knows his stuff, so even if your not close by, I'd recommend the drive purely for the peace of mind. There are many imbeciles who THINK the can perform a wheel alignment (some mentioned above), but word of mouth is always the best advertisment. :eclipsee_

[alpineau]

Hi Guys

I have the same problem with my car, I just put new 18" XR8 mags on my car and noticed it was pulling to the left. I took it to a tyre shop got them to do a wheel alignemnt, said i need a chamber kit becuase there is no more adjustment left of the factory bolts. I got a quote for 200 + labour, well at that price i will put up with it untill i lower the car and get it done then

Cheers
Alpineau

[OZFORDAU]

If i don't get it done soon, wont it wear the tyre un-even?

Cheers

Simon

[alpineau]

Hi Simon

If you got the money get it done, But it won't have a big effect if you get it done for a few weeks or so. The reason i am waiting is when i get the car lowered i will need a wheel alignemnt same as if i was to get the camber kit. So i will do both at the same time and only pay for 1 wheel alignment

Cheers
Alpineau

[Baboon_AU]

stress less simon. its only going to start showing up with months of driving. it will only show up instantly if your car turns complete circles with the wheel straight!!!!! hahaha

[OZFORDAU]

Originally Posted by alpineau

Hi Simon

If you got the money get it done, But it won't have a big effect if you get it done for a few weeks or so. The reason i am waiting is when i get the car lowered i will need a wheel alignemnt same as if i was to get the camber kit. So i will do both at the same time and only pay for 1 wheel alignment

Cheers
Alpineau

Well im going to get the car lowered as well, should i get the camber kit done at the same time?
Then i'll get a wheel alignment!

Cheers

Simon :nutsycuck

[alpineau]

Hi Simon

That is what i am doing, I got the mags a few weeks back and just need a few more weeks to save then i am going to do it all at once. When i got the wheels i got an alignment and that's when they told me about the camber kit. I asked if it would be ok to drive for a month or so while i saved up for lowering the car, he said it was fine and if need be rotate the tyres.

Cheers
Alpineau

[GK]

There's your answer Simon.

If you don't have the money to lower the car now, or in the next month, get the alignment done, and camber kit if needed.

If you have the money to do it in the next month, wait and get the alignment and camber kit if needed, done then!

Simple!_2:

GK

[BENT_8]

too many front end mechanics have worked on holdens and when you learn on them things you can only adjust toe.
dont waste your money on big name companies as they are a waste of time..
i would suspect that you proberbly have worn shockers and this is causing your camber problems.
my advice would be to find someone who learned his trade on x-series cars as they were fully adjustable from the factory and the best design to learn from

[OZFORDAU]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

too many front end mechanics have worked on holdens and when you learn on them things you can only adjust toe.
dont waste your money on big name companies as they are a waste of time..
i would suspect that you proberbly have worn shockers and this is causing your camber problems.
my advice would be to find someone who learned his trade on x-series cars as they were fully adjustable from the factory and the best design to learn from

I'll just go to pedders and see what they have to say! And if it need a new camber kit, then so be it!

Cheers

Simon

[OZFORDAU]

Pedders in Ferntree Gully has quoted me $315 for both sides and a wheel alignment! That's the best price so far! And hopefully it'll fix the problem (touch wood).....Is $315 resonable?

Cheers

Simon :

[FTE217]

yer it's in the ballpark, the most important thing is that you'll get a proper alignment from them compared to some.

[Chippar]

Pedders in Ferntree Gully has quoted me $315 for both sides and a wheel alignment! That's the best price so far! And hopefully it'll fix the problem (touch wood).....Is $315 resonable?

That sounds like a real good price considering there is a new "Noltec" brand complete camber/caster kit on ebay from $220 to $299 Buy it now price.

Add the labour costs to fit them and the wheel alignment etc and it'd be way over the price you were quoted.

[FTE217]

yer price is good but I wouldn't recommend them.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

yer price is good but I wouldn't recommend them.

Do you mean the Noltec, or Pedders, BD?

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by JC

Do you mean the Noltec, or Pedders, BD?

Noltec JC.

[TheSneakiness]

I've had this exact problem ever since I bought my ute that it always has pulled to the left, even after a wheel alignment from a specialist.