It's easy as 1 2 3 ?

crannersEL · 25-09-2006, 12:09 PM

Ive been told differnet stories about the 1-2-3-Drive in an Automatic car, some people say its okay, and other seem to disagree. I drive a EL Falcon 4lrt Auto if i was to do this on a regular basis would it cause any damage to my Auto Trans and gear box?

Thanks in advance,

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Paul

Casper · 25-09-2006, 12:12 PM

Changing up will not hurt the transmission at all. Changing down "shocks" the trans a bit as the revs are not matched and the change isnt smooth.

EFFalcon · 25-09-2006, 12:14 PM

i do it fairly often, my trans is still ok.
as said, its really only if your downshifting from higher RPM's that would do more, but even that hasnt made any effect on my trans, i was doing it loads at winton

crannersEL · 25-09-2006, 12:19 PM

Sweet as, thanks guys!

Now i can make my car sound kinda like a manual hahahahaha........

So would a Shift kit be a more efficient form of what im doing?

lcdownes · 25-09-2006, 12:23 PM

My friends mechanic told him for city driving to leave the car in 3rd. EL Sapphire.
He was told this would improve his fuel economy and increase the life of the tranny.

Casper · 25-09-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crannersEL

Sweet as, thanks guys!

Now i can make my car sound kinda like a manual hahahahaha........

So would a Shift kit be a more efficient form of what im doing?

a shift kit is used to firm up the changes.. using one when downshifting will shock the auto more.

XRated · 25-09-2006, 12:54 PM

Just get a real manual, you hobos :P

SVT8 · 25-09-2006, 05:05 PM

im pretty sure that shifting from 1, 2, 3 and then drive is used for towing etc. It probably wont hurt your trans but lets say if your doing 50km in 2nd and want to drop a gear that will lag hurt the trans alot as its not design for that. I dont do it often though...........

EA2BA · 25-09-2006, 05:07 PM

Been doing it for a long time since I put in the BA and the BF shifter, and no problems to report.

Kenaz · 25-09-2006, 05:36 PM

Just a question. Why would you want to do this?

SwarvJarv · 25-09-2006, 05:43 PM

what would happen if you downshifted a auto enough to cause a compression lockup??...would the box handle that....

05MkIIFutura · 25-09-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenaz

Just a question. Why would you want to do this?

All of us go through this stage when we are young and keen > but soon get over it and just let the auto do its thing, automatically!!

castek · 25-09-2006, 06:27 PM

my t5 solenoid was on its way out, and it was so bad the car would chirp from 1st to 2nd (not power, just a severe shock). i took it to my transmission mechanic who said, until i get it fixed to shift manually from 1st to 2nd at around 3000rpm to save the life of the box. apparently it would have been enough to split the box in half lol. i asked him about his thoughts about manually shifting, and he said going up is fine, just down gearing causes more wear. best is to stop the car and then go back to 1st. not worth it imo, unless you got an awesome sounding 8.

DEVL-XR · 25-09-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

Just get a real manual, you hobos :P

Agreed!!! manuals rock!!!!lol!!

EB Pete · 25-09-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lcdownes

My friends mechanic told him for city driving to leave the car in 3rd. EL Sapphire.
He was told this would improve his fuel economy and increase the life of the tranny.

save the torque convertor. at 60km/h the convertor will lock up but if you just increase throttle position, it will unlock straight away. so if you keep doing this it will decrease the life of the convertor heaps.

pete j

SVT8 · 25-09-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BradensEBxr6

Agreed!!! manuals rock!!!!lol!!

do manuals still rock in heavy traffic, bumper to bumper going up and down hills for 10kms??? lol

Auto's arnt all that bad, All you need is a shift kit and a highstall and youl be rite.

EB Pete · 25-09-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SVT8

do manuals still rock in heavy traffic, bumper to bumper going up and down hills for 10kms??? lol

Auto's arnt all that bad, All you need is a shift kit and a highstall and youl be rite.

and a chip/computer and maybe. even better a C4.

EBFalcs · 25-09-2006, 07:03 PM

i always down shifted my auto EB i even compression locked a few times too and i never had aproblem, back crackle was sweet when dropped to first at about 55km/h

BOOSTDEF · 25-09-2006, 07:10 PM

Ive down shifted to 1st at 75km/hr :P:P shot to 90 pretty quick when the rev limiter kicked in..

Its amazing what youll do sometimes...

efgiar · 25-09-2006, 08:18 PM

with the 4 speed btrs u cant cause comp lockup, u could be at 80 and slam it in to first and it shouldnt go into 1st untill u are at a speed that it doesnt go over the rev limiter. thats my experience when i accidently slipped it into first at 70-80 trying to slow down hard for one reason or another

boogernissan · 25-09-2006, 08:24 PM

that is true.the falcon autos wont change into first until you slow to about 30-40 kays.i drive mine thru the gears all the time and it dont hurt it.all is good.keep it reguarly serviced and you should be good.my 4sp auto is clapped out aswell,slips in gear and ****.im gonna put my 5sp t5 in there soon

Casper · 25-09-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by boogernissan

i drive mine thru the gears all the time and it dont hurt it.all is good.keep it reguarly serviced and you should be good.my 4sp auto is clapped out aswell,slips in gear and ****.im gonna put my 5sp t5 in there soon

so it doesn't hurt it, all is good, its regularly serviced? Then your very next sentence says your auto is clapped out, slips in gears and is generally stuffed.

Do you see the contradiction here?

snypereb · 25-09-2006, 08:29 PM

My trans handles it fine!

InitialD · 25-09-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by snypereb

My trans handles it fine!

Is this the one in your car or .... bwahhaha j/k

Rollin · 25-09-2006, 08:35 PM

the sprag clutch in these boxes isnt very strong and really cops it on downchanges. going up is ok but down is bad - you will end up with no engine braking at all once the sprag clutch dies.

BPXR6T · 25-09-2006, 08:39 PM

Do it with my C4 all the time. Lots of fun with the ratchet shifter. Only problem is the ratchet is the exact opposite of my BA XR8. I've gone down instead of up a couple of times by mistake.

boogernissan · 25-09-2006, 08:45 PM

uuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm,it still handles the gear changes!!!hasnt stopped going.box was clapped when i got the car,serviced the box didnt fix it.its not noisy or nothing.i think i just need to adjust the bands but im lazy and am waiting for it to break completly so i can change it.done about ten thousand kays with it slippin and ****.if you dont like cahnging it cos your worried dont touch it.leave it in drive and .............well.............drive

Casper · 25-09-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by boogernissan

uuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm,it still handles the gear changes!!!hasnt stopped going.box was clapped when i got the car,serviced the box didnt fix it.its not noisy or nothing.i think i just need to adjust the bands but im lazy and am waiting for it to break completly so i can change it.done about ten thousand kays with it slippin and ****.if you dont like cahnging it cos your worried dont touch it.leave it in drive and .............well.............drive

My BTR has been custom built to handle 600hp.. breaking it is not a concern of mine.
However with a stock BTR the downshift does damage it. Slowly, bit by bit, it does do damage. Saying it is fine while driving with an auto that is showing classic signs of wear and tear (regardless of if you did it or not) is either a) ignorant or b) wishful thinking. The auto does not match the revs on downshift, the auto is "shocked". No different to reving to around 1500rpm and dropping it into D every time you drive. It wont kill it immediatly but it will wear it out faster than normal.

boogernissan · 25-09-2006, 09:01 PM

revvin it and droppin it into gear destroys extension housings i know cos i did it in my old 3spd wagon,and who the hell wants a **** auto anyways i hate them,they suck,you can have your "custom" built btr **** auto,i know they suck as do the auto coolers in the rad cos we do so many gearboxes at work cos the rads suck,get a manual and drive like a man

Casper · 25-09-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boogernissan

revvin it and droppin it into gear destroys extension housings i know cos i did it in my old 3spd wagon,and who the hell wants a **** auto anyways i hate them,they suck,you can have your "custom" built btr **** auto,i know they suck as do the auto coolers in the rad cos we do so many gearboxes at work cos the rads suck,get a manual and drive like a man

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